Funny how this has happened to two Vermont politicians since the year 2000.
YEEEAH!!!
I thought that was a dumb thing for the media to latch on to at the time, but now I know why they forced the “controversy” anyways.
Just looking at all his policy stances in 2004 makes me so sad… Instead we got another term of Bush.
I’ve always felt that he would have delivered against trump in 2016. A paragon of living up to expectations of what our leadership should do at every stage of his life.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2016/02/18/bernie-sanders-and-the-willis-wagon-protests-of-1963/
Pretty sure he’d have gotten the Kennedy treatment if his policies didn’t serve the owner class. But probably in a plausibly deniable way, like a heart attack or such.
Also, let’s face it: America didn’t do anything to Bernie, they did it to themselves…
“We” didn’t do shit to Bernie…
The wealthy and politically connected fucked over Bernie and every other American like they consistently do. Because Bernie would have actually helped Americans and they’d have another FDR to deal with.
People need to stop thinking it’s D vs R. Both parties look out more for their donors than America, and they have a lot of the same donors. The only explanation for the DNCs actions back to 2016, is they’d rather have trump than a progressive.
trump let’s moderates lower standards, a progressive president means standards would be raised, and no more Republican or “moderate” Dem president.
Bernie could have still won if enough people showed up to vote.
We need to take some responsibility for that
Bernie would have actually helped Americans and they’d have another FDR to deal with.
The President isn’t a dictator. Bernie wouldn’t have been able to do anything because of the Republican controlled Congress.
The only explanation for the DNCs actions back to 2016, is they’d rather have trump than a progressive.
The DNC has spent over 44 million dollars helping pro-trump Republicans win their primaries over moderate Republicans, so that they can point at the Republican party and say “look, there are no moderate Republicans left”. The DNC is just as guilty as the trump Republicans for radicalizing the Republican party.
That’s a preeeeeeetty big stretch. I presume this is what you’re talking about?
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2022/07/democrats-spend-millions-on-republican-primaries/
Yes, that’s what I’m talking about. What about my statement is a stretch? They’re trying to promote radicalized candidates because they believe they’ll be easier to defeat. It’s underhanded, and erodes voter confidence. It’s also limiting voter choices, attempting to solidify the Democratic party as the only viable choice for candidates, which further erodes our democracy. Citizens deserve choices. Locking elections to a choice between a radical Trumper and the DNC doesn’t benefit the country as a whole, it only benefits the DNC. They’ve received considerable criticism from members of both parties over these actions, criticisms which I believe are valid.
Edit: I re-read my original comment and I concede it’s “a stretch”, or rather just outright inaccurate that the Democrats are just as guilty as trump Republicans for radicalizing the party. But their actions make them complicit.
Nope. He probably woulda gotten himself assassinated by these fucking capitalists and then we coulda had a proper left wing martyr to galvanize us… Then again, what happened after JFK? oh.
Guess y’all is just run by murderers. go figure
There’s no “we” about it. The Democratic party no longer represents the people or unions. It represents corporate interests. Repubs do, too, but it’s incorrect to think the Dems still care about the average working person.
Lol.
Man’s name was on the ticket.
People didn’t fucking vote for him.
Nobody stopped them. Nobody.
People didn’t want Bernie Sanders. I did. I voted for him twice. But I’m so fucking sick of this goofy-assed narrative that absolves the public of their civic fucking responsibility.
Nobody stole our vote. Nobody. His name was on the ticket. People didn’t vote for him.
Nobody stole our vote. Nobody.
DNC machinations were pretty one sided for Bernie. Mainstream dems were telling me “he’s not a real democrat so why should we vote for him”
100% this. I supported him, donated lots to his campaign, and the people just didn’t turn out to vote. The left are notorious for this. Every four years, they become online-only activists and yell at everyone to either not vote- or to throw away a vote via third-party.
And then, they vanish without a trace only to resurface later on as victims of their own decisions. And what’s funny about the whole thing is that they complain so much about “status quo,” but fail to realize they’re as status quo as it gets.
Mah boi about to get down voted to hell for speaking facts
Yeah, but Clinton got some debate questions beforehand and private chatter clearly showed that the brass preferred her. This is literally unforgiveable because, just like braindead Trump supporters, I fell for the “it was rigged” despite the complete lack of evidence. And even worse in this case because Clinton crushed him!
An improper relationship and something certainly to be suspicious about. But you aren’t pointing to anything that did actually sway or control the election.
I’m a proof is in the pudding guy, and it’s time to drop the whole narrative.
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Silly me, I thought that the investigation of interim DNC chair Donna Brazile that showed that Clinton had undue influence over the DNC over a year before the primary, a superdelegate system that heavily favored Clinton, and the fact that the AP called the race the night before 6 states voted was pretty good evidence. I see that this single academic paper and the fact that no one wrote about email with the subject line, “Best way to rig the primaries for Clinton,” proves otherwise.
You cherry pick some facts, make vague claims to stuff, and don’t quantify at all how much they influenced the primary.
You’re the equivalent of the trump supporters who cry “but they moved some boxes under a table!” You have nothing but suspicion, and actual analysis of whether or not there is evidence of any kind of rigging revealed nothing, in both cases.
The facts suck when they don’t support what you want to be the truth, but it’s time to wake up and accept it.
I don’t know what to tell you dude; I don’t know what would have happened in an alternate timeline where Clinton didn’t take over the DNC’s finances before the election. I don’t have a time machine.
I can tell you that there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the primary was rigged, prominent Democrats like Harry Reid admitted it was an unfair primary, and when the DNC was sued by Sanders donors for fraud, they chose to argue that not that the primary was fair, but that the DNC was under no legal obligation to run a fair primary. I can also tell you that comparing real evidence of the DNC colluding with the Clinton campaign to win her the nomination (for which Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign) isn’t the same as Trump supporters wild fantasies about ballot stuffing, and anyone who would draw a false equivalence between the two is either arguing in bad faith or ignorant of the basic facts surrounding the 2016 primary.
I’m from Kentucky. His name was never on any ballot I had access to. Would have voted for him if I ever actually had the opportunity to do so.
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Made him a senator?
I’ll bite in case this isn’t trolling. They are likely referring to how people, even those who were fairly liberal, made it seem like Bernie was too far out there to be a valid choice for president.
Maybe a little trolling. I was a Bernie supporter, donor, and volunteer, but I accept that he lost fair and square I am just pretty tired of people feeling the need to relitigate the 2016 primary every 4 years, even though none of the candidates or leadership are currently involved.
It was painful for all of us who poured our heart into his campaign, and I understand that people were frustrated, but at this point picking that scab serves no purpose than to depress voter engagement, which is why I am skeptical that it is being done in good faith. The DNC worked with Bernie after 2016 (I sat on one of the focus groups and filled out several survey) and made a bunch of reforms, but you never hear anything about that for some reason.
And I personally agree with that with one caveat not to be a president, but to be electable. While he was popular on the left, I think he would not pull independence/centrist and would lose election.
He polled 7 points better against Trump than Hillary did in 2016. Although that being said, it seems pretty well accepted that the polling was pretty unreliable in 2016.
You left out article “the” in last sentence, comrade.
Blyat!
You mean making him one of the most powerful senators and the longest serving independent senator in the history of the country, as well as a bestselling millionaire author? Boo hoo, I wish America would do that to me.
What was done to him?
The media went nutty after he looked to have a decent lead up to the primaries so suddenly every story was about how Bernie loves Fidel Castro and communism, even so-called “liberal propaganda” MSNBC had their talking heads going on about how Bernie would quite literally have them executed.
America literally cannot have a president that isn’t right wing or centrist, we’re not allowed to.
Immediately following the debates you had Chris Matthews saying Sanders winning would lead to executions in Central Park.
The rhetoric surrounding Bernie in the media was ugly.
Bernie would of won against trump
He couldn’t even win against Hillary so I kind of doubt it.
He did win against her. Until the Superdeligates swung the election in favor of where their money and the DNC wanted. I completely hold the DNC torpedoing themselves as the reason for Trump in '16.
He did win against her. Until the Superdeligates swung the election in favor of where their money and the DNC wanted.
Holy shit, the delusion gets greater with every passing day.
Clinton crushed him, by like 12 percentage points. Millions of votes. Absolutely trounced, and it was clear from the start he was going to lose. You take the superdelegates out, Clinton still wins. You give all of the superdelegates from the districts that Sanders won, Clinton still crushes him. Superdelegates played near zero role in Sanders getting smashed by Clinton, unless you really want to stretch and say their pledging made people vote for her. . .but 12 percentage points of people? Nah. You gotta be crazy to believe that.
I think a lot of young people like myself just wanted him and have felt neglected and disconnected since then. So that’s probably adding to it. But damn I’d still vote for Bernie in a heartbeat today.
Ftr, I voted for him in both 2016 and 2020 and I would vote for him today as well. I just recognize that I’m much further left than the average Democrat, and that this whole “Bernie was robbed!” is as rooted in reality as “Trump was robbed!”
Waitt a second wasn’t it BLM that went after Sanders in the first place? Because he hadn’t done enough for black people?
And he let them speak while he stepped to the side.
No you’re missing the point, I just thought it was ironic that the woman has BLM in her bio
That “woman” is a famous drag queen. Bob the Drag Queen
It was Obama. Bernie was going to win. Obama called up Buttigieg and Klobuchar and told them to drop out in order to consolidate the non-Bernie vote around Biden. They did as they were asked.
We’re to assume you were on that call?
The media reported on this.
They did, and you’re right. A cursory search corroborates the notion. Whether we have transcripts of a call is just bloviating questions from a snarky shithead troll.
So…. The “media” was on the call? There should be a transcript somewhere. Care to share it?
If you’re interested in the details, go ahead and look it up.
Should be easy for you to provide. And this is a good place for it. Please, show your receipts.
EDIT: Looks like there are no receipts. Too bad.
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It was Obama. Bernie was going to win. Obama called up Buttigieg and Klobuchar and told them to drop out in order to consolidate the non-Bernie vote around Biden. They did as they were asked.
You mean Hilary or in 2020 when Bernie firmly supported Biden after dropping out, and still does?
Lol
Moderate democrats were splitting the vote, and when all of them dropped out, the vote consolidated to a moderate candidate.
Are you basically arguing that, despite (unfortunately) not appealing to the average democratic voter, it’s somehow wrong that he didn’t win in favor of a politician who does?
