• IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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    6 months ago

    The analogy kind of falls apart since she is not limited to this guy and Chad. She’s free to choose nothing at all. With Trump vs Biden, there’s no viable third option, and having no president is not one of the options. So the “Trump is worse” argument becomes viable simply because you do have to choose one of them.

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      6 months ago

      Using the trolley problem as an analogy, if you don’t pull the lever the people run over by it are not your fault but the trolley company’s, but if you do pull the lever the death of the guy on the other tracks is absolutely on you.

      I assume you voted for Biden last election, to avoid the trolley running over the people in that proverbial track. Congratulations, you are guilty of murdering all those Palestinian children. Now, next election, if (when) Trump wins, your vote even for Biden is what gives legitimacy to his presidency.

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        6 months ago

        Not Voting is a Vote, just as not choosing is a choice. It is simply a Vote for the worse option based upon your judgment. You remain 100% responsible for enabling what happens simply because you didn’t do what you could to prevent it.

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          6 months ago

          it’s not really a vote for the worse option, it’s a vote saying “i don’t know what’s best or don’t care, so i’ll take whatever happens”

      • Kashif Shah@lemmy.sdf.org
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        6 months ago

        After that news on research that a Trump victory would likely spell the end of NATO, don’t be surprised if the rightists starts to see this election as being about ending NATO and withdrawing from the UN.

        Typical right-wing goals that maybe leftists don’t appreciate the strength of conviction that the hard-liners have.

        That (and the obvious social conservative goals) are the only legitimacy that Drumpf really has.

        edit: also, Trump trumped Biden on the Palestenian genocide when he moved the Israeli embassy. i’m sure that that emboldened Netanyahu to press even harder rightwards. Now look at it.

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          6 months ago

          ending NATO

          But an end to NATO would be an unambiguously good thing. It has literally never fought a defensive war in its history and the places its invaded and bombed are still hurting decades later.

          withdrawing from the UN.

          A UN where the US couldn’t veto a hundred demands for peace in Palestine, backed by threat of sanctions is also an unambiguously good thing.

          If I genuinely believed Trump would bring about a peaceful dismantling of the American Empire, I’d have to campaign for him.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      6 months ago

      Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she’s paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?

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        6 months ago

        You can tactically vote for Biden to avoid Trump and still take actions to dismantle the system.

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          Or you could maybe take actions to fix the system. Because whatever you lot come up with after dismantling is going be worse for everybody else.

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            6 months ago

            You can still do both. The only viable path to election reform comes from downballot state elections anyway.

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              6 months ago

              You can still do both

              Not sure that I follow what you mean. You can’t fix a system that is being dismantled, so I’m guessing that you mean something else.

        • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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          6 months ago

          So the woman in our scenario should decide to choose the “Nice Guy” tactically?

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              I don’t think it does. A choice fostered upon me at the threat of violence is not a choice at all. I refuse to participate and therefore legitimize such a farce.

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                6 months ago

                You’re free to do nothing, but smart people choose to minimize harm when there are only bad choices in front of them.

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                  6 months ago

                  Who said I’m “doing nothing”? Voting isn’t doing anything. Only actions outside the ballot matter.

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                Non-participation is not the same as doing nothing. If she chooses to date neither, neither is in her life. If you do nothing, you still get trump or Biden. The analogy doesn’t hold.

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        6 months ago

        And if she’s paired anyway with that person

        This line right here is where it should be obvious how far this “analogy” has to be twisted to even start to become analogous.

      • AVincentInSpace@pawb.social
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        6 months ago

        object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody?

        do you genuinely think not voting will make neither candidate win