It’s hard to support any wars these days. Your innitial reaction to seeing Ukraine win and hold their own is to cheer.
I don’t understand the Isreal/Gaza/Humas war. I don’t get whats happening there. I don’t know why people support one side or the other. So I stay out of it.
But with the Ukraine/russia war, I get it. I know what is happening, and who to support. OBVIOUSLY Ukraine.
But when you watch it play out over the past 2 years, you realize one thing. The United States doesn’t want Ukraine to win. The United States doesn’t want russia to win either, don’t get me wrong. It’s just that United States LOVES that war continueing.
The United States gets to clear out a bunch of backstock of old military equipment that nobody would ever use. Then they get to pay their own government sponsered weapons manufacturing companies to provide ammo.
If the war ends, their gravy train ends. They want to keep Ukraine in the lead, but rubber banded back from actually reaching the finish line. The United States isn’t getting involved directly, not because they fear atomic bombs, but because they fear giving up easy money.
So in that regard you become a bit jaded and think “Well shit…maybe the republicans got this one right for all the wrong reasons. Maybe we SHOULDN’T support the Ukraine war”.
But if you just straight up stop supporting Ukraine, they suffer casualties and increase the risk of LOSING the war. You can’t have that. So you have to support them…but it feels disheartening that it’s somehow what I’m calling “Bad Faith Support”. Where you’re doing the right thing, for completely wrong reasons and aiming for the wrong result.
My only question in all of this, is where the hell is the rest of europe??? You’re telling me Germany of all countries isn’t putting troops on land for the chance to fight russia??? Kind of seems like it should be their wet dream!
England! You LOVE conquering other people, taking their land, and colonizing it. Russia is a whole big bunch of land and people. It’s kind of been your whole personality for the last 1500 years.
France…alright, you’re France. Fair enough.
Finland!!! You just bust a nut killing russians. Come get some of your former land back!!!
Japan! You guys are still bickering over an island. Everybody knows it’s your island. Come get it at the peace treaty.
Hell, even Taiwan might want to come get some. Prepare your armies, train them in real world combat, because you guys know if russia wins, china is coming for you guys next. When that happens, you might look to Ukraine, who’s now a formidable military presence, and say “Heeeeeyyyyyyy guys…remember when we helped you out? Welllllllllllllll china is kind of being a dick right now, soooooooooo…help?” And Zelinsky (if he’s still president when this happens) will fully get onboard with returning that favor.
Australia…yeah, you guys aren’t really involved at all, but I’ve never met a shitty australian. Literally 100% have been awesome people. So I figure maybe you want to jump in just because it’d be a thing awesome people do.
They’ve BEEN at all out war for 2 years already! That ship sailed long ago…and then Ukraine sank most of the ships that sailed, because they were at war.
You’re telling me Germany of all countries isn’t putting troops on land for the chance to fight russia??? Kind of seems like it should be their wet dream!
Saying that Germany is in any way dreaming about putting troops anywhere is right-out delusional. That also applies to France who are more willing to engage, but still don’t get off on it.
Poland. The Poles are the ones who wouldn’t mind marching straight to Moscow and have their cities nuked in response. But that’s not because they’d be a particularly quarrelsome bunch, either, it’s because they consider Russia a proven and irredeemable existential threat and like pretty much all Slavs, have great enthusiasm for the “find out” part of “fuck around and find out”.
Why would Finland want to assume responsibility for their former territories in Russia by invading? Finland would then be responsible for an area that is ruined by Russia, and even worse full of surly unproductive Russians.
If Taiwan joins with Ukraine, then China joins with Russia and invades an underdefended Taiwan. Taiwan allies then have to join to protect them, and it balloons from there.
Taiwan joining Ukraine is laughably outside of the realm of possibility. Like, not even worth mentioning except to point out how silly some people’s grasp of geopolitics is.
While I do think WWIII IS inevitable, I did not describe WWIII. I described a Ukraine war that is already happening getting support from multiple countries. That war ending, and THEN, Taiwan asks for Ukraine help in a new singular war against china. If china decides to split it’s military and also go to war with Ukraine, thats still one singular war, now in a 2-1 situation. I personally don’t think china would DO that, but I’m also pretty sure people in the 1940s were shocked that the nazis broke their non-aggression pact with the soviet union. Not because hitlers word could be trusted, but because it’s just so bafflingly stupid.
Thats the same level of stupid I think china going to war with Ukraine, after Ukraine beats russia, while they’re already in a war with Taiwan (that has support from united states).
It’s hard to support any wars these days. Your innitial reaction to seeing Ukraine win and hold their own is to cheer.
I don’t understand the Isreal/Gaza/Humas war. I don’t get whats happening there. I don’t know why people support one side or the other. So I stay out of it.
But with the Ukraine/russia war, I get it. I know what is happening, and who to support. OBVIOUSLY Ukraine.
But when you watch it play out over the past 2 years, you realize one thing. The United States doesn’t want Ukraine to win. The United States doesn’t want russia to win either, don’t get me wrong. It’s just that United States LOVES that war continueing.
The United States gets to clear out a bunch of backstock of old military equipment that nobody would ever use. Then they get to pay their own government sponsered weapons manufacturing companies to provide ammo.
If the war ends, their gravy train ends. They want to keep Ukraine in the lead, but rubber banded back from actually reaching the finish line. The United States isn’t getting involved directly, not because they fear atomic bombs, but because they fear giving up easy money.
So in that regard you become a bit jaded and think “Well shit…maybe the republicans got this one right for all the wrong reasons. Maybe we SHOULDN’T support the Ukraine war”.
But if you just straight up stop supporting Ukraine, they suffer casualties and increase the risk of LOSING the war. You can’t have that. So you have to support them…but it feels disheartening that it’s somehow what I’m calling “Bad Faith Support”. Where you’re doing the right thing, for completely wrong reasons and aiming for the wrong result.
My only question in all of this, is where the hell is the rest of europe??? You’re telling me Germany of all countries isn’t putting troops on land for the chance to fight russia??? Kind of seems like it should be their wet dream!
England! You LOVE conquering other people, taking their land, and colonizing it. Russia is a whole big bunch of land and people. It’s kind of been your whole personality for the last 1500 years.
France…alright, you’re France. Fair enough.
Finland!!! You just bust a nut killing russians. Come get some of your former land back!!!
Japan! You guys are still bickering over an island. Everybody knows it’s your island. Come get it at the peace treaty.
Hell, even Taiwan might want to come get some. Prepare your armies, train them in real world combat, because you guys know if russia wins, china is coming for you guys next. When that happens, you might look to Ukraine, who’s now a formidable military presence, and say “Heeeeeyyyyyyy guys…remember when we helped you out? Welllllllllllllll china is kind of being a dick right now, soooooooooo…help?” And Zelinsky (if he’s still president when this happens) will fully get onboard with returning that favor.
Australia…yeah, you guys aren’t really involved at all, but I’ve never met a shitty australian. Literally 100% have been awesome people. So I figure maybe you want to jump in just because it’d be a thing awesome people do.
Good god, you should be advising governments.
Your understanding of geopolitics and proxy wars is horrific.
You support the country that is closest to a democracy but not enough to push it into all out war. It isn’t that complicated.
They’ve BEEN at all out war for 2 years already! That ship sailed long ago…and then Ukraine sank most of the ships that sailed, because they were at war.
Saying that Germany is in any way dreaming about putting troops anywhere is right-out delusional. That also applies to France who are more willing to engage, but still don’t get off on it.
Poland. The Poles are the ones who wouldn’t mind marching straight to Moscow and have their cities nuked in response. But that’s not because they’d be a particularly quarrelsome bunch, either, it’s because they consider Russia a proven and irredeemable existential threat and like pretty much all Slavs, have great enthusiasm for the “find out” part of “fuck around and find out”.
Tldr; 😂
The TLDR would be: “America wants this war to continue forever and why is all of Europe not going to war with Russia? And also Japan and Taiwan?”
(No one tell them that Japan is only constitutionally allowed to fight defensively.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Japanese_military_legislation
Huh. I had no idea.
Yeah no thanks.
Why would Finland want to assume responsibility for their former territories in Russia by invading? Finland would then be responsible for an area that is ruined by Russia, and even worse full of surly unproductive Russians.
Living up to your username I see!
You are describing World War 3.
If Taiwan joins with Ukraine, then China joins with Russia and invades an underdefended Taiwan. Taiwan allies then have to join to protect them, and it balloons from there.
Taiwan joining Ukraine is laughably outside of the realm of possibility. Like, not even worth mentioning except to point out how silly some people’s grasp of geopolitics is.
While I do think WWIII IS inevitable, I did not describe WWIII. I described a Ukraine war that is already happening getting support from multiple countries. That war ending, and THEN, Taiwan asks for Ukraine help in a new singular war against china. If china decides to split it’s military and also go to war with Ukraine, thats still one singular war, now in a 2-1 situation. I personally don’t think china would DO that, but I’m also pretty sure people in the 1940s were shocked that the nazis broke their non-aggression pact with the soviet union. Not because hitlers word could be trusted, but because it’s just so bafflingly stupid.
Thats the same level of stupid I think china going to war with Ukraine, after Ukraine beats russia, while they’re already in a war with Taiwan (that has support from united states).