This opinion piece tries hard to frame Harris as super undercover socialist, outlining all the aspects her and DSA’s platforms have in common… and I’m like, stop! I can only get so erect !
I won’t vote for Harris because I don’t think she’s socialist enough. lol
Oh, it’s UniversalMonk posting again.
Thanks for noticing, friend! And no worries, I’ll keep posting.
That’s certainly… An opinion.
Yeah, it certainly is. And not sure if mods will keep it up. It is political news, but it’s more opinion than news, so not sure if they will decide that it fits community guidelines or not.
Eh, posting editorials is allowed last I checked. I don’t know why you think they’d take it down, unless discussion becomes inflammatory.
Um, with me, the discussion is always inflammatory! lol
But yeah, it’s not that I thought they’d take it down, it’s that I wasn’t sure. Thanks!
Give me ten minutes and I can ‘prove’ that any one was or wasn’t a Socialist depending on my mood.
Well, Lemmy seems to think that anyone who is not a Democrat is automatically a Republican and/or wants a Republican to win. So…
Back in the day I had the privilege of knowing some old school Communists. People who had gone to Spain to fight Fascism and been blacklisted at home.
One of the stories they told was about how in 1968 they were warning young voters to get to the polls to stop Nixon. It wasn’t that they were in love with Hubert Humphrey, but they knew he was a million times better than Nixon.
The situation is the same today. If you aren’t voting for Harris and every other Dem you’re ignoring reality.
My grandfather went through something similar. He faced relentless hate and pressure from both sides of the political spectrum, but he never caved and stayed true to his convictions.
Just like those old-school Communists, he knew the power of standing firm, even when the world seemed against him.
Choosing the “lesser of two evils” was never his style, and I’m the same way. I won’t be bullied into casting a vote I don’t believe in, and neither would he.
In my opinion, respecting someone’s decision to vote their conscience is a lot more powerful than forcing them to pick the so-called “realistic” choice.
I won’t be voting Harris. I’m proud to vote third party.
I’m sure you think you sound like you have integrity, but it sounds like privilege to me.
Women have actually died because they couldn’t get abortions.
I could point out a lot of other things that happened because of Trump, but let’s just deal with this one issue.
And you totally misread the idea of the old school Communists standing firm.
Another thing they talked about was Ho Chi Minh working with the American OSS in WW2. Ho would have known all about America’s history of racism and genocide, but that didn’t matter because there was a bigger threat to his people.
And please name the ‘Third Party’ you’re planning on voting for. There’s proof that the GOP has helped both the Libertarians and the Greens get on the ballot to help split the Dem vote.
I’m sure you think you sound like you have integrity, but it sounds like privilege to me.
Because I am not voting Harris, I have privilege?! I promise you make more money than I do. So you have more privilege than me. So are you evil because of it?
Touched a nerve, did we?
I’m voting Socialist Workers Party, (Rachele Fruit).
And because of Lemmy, I promise I will NEVER vote Democrat. The hate and bullying here has been unbelievable.
The hate and bullying here has been unbelievable.
So, I point out that people have actually died because of Trump, but your feelings are more important.
And you sound like a third rate Marvel villain. “Curse you, Captain America! You’ve forced me to blow up this school!”
So, I point out that people have actually died because of Trump, but your feelings are more important.
And people have actually died because of Biden/Harris admin.
I’m voting third party. Thanks!
De la Cruz here.
I wasn’t bullied into casting a vote for Hilldog (she fucking sucks). I am going to vote against the orange bad because I’ve seen how awful his time in office was. I’m not a fan of Harris, but I’m very anti-him. Dems aren’t good enough, but he’s terrible enough that I must do what I can to prevent another term.
Third parties will never be viable if we keep dismissing them and refuse to vote for them, which only strengthens the duopoly’s stranglehold on our political system.
It’s not bullying, it’s simple math. Harris wins or Trump wins. Harris isn’t perfect, but Trump is unacceptable. Voting for neither is a choice, but it’s choice that says you don’t care which one wins. You don’t care if a fascist bigot who wants to abuse his power to control women and line his pockets wins the election. Anyone that’s OK with that is either themselves a fascist bigot who wants Project 2025, or they’re stupid.
So saying you don’t care if Trump wins tells me you might be a fascist bigot, or you might be stupid. If you’re just stupid, that’s fine, vote your conscience. But if you’re a fascist bigot pretending, you might as well admit it to the world and admit you’re supporting Trump.
Either way, it’s not a persuasive argument to make anyone think you have anything of value to say.
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Voting is always an act of harm reduction. Choosing to vote for a non-viable option or not vote is a statement that neither you nor those you care about (in life or the abstract) are in minimal risk of harm or you don’t care about the harm they may undergo.
That’s either privilege or sociopathy.
And honestly I suspect there is a lot of astroturf trying to make the argument. Far too many people on social media are using the same talking points, eg “I can’t support a genocide enabler.” Which is a valid issue, but it’s disingenuous to think that Trump is going to be better for Palestine. Harris, being a human being with empathy, would certainly want the violence to end. Trump wants the genocide to finish. He’s said that. A Jill Stein protest vote is nothing.
Well, I’m not voting for Stein. And according to Lemmy everyone who isn’t voting for Harris is a russian agent.
That’s either privilege or sociopathy.
And the way your post is worded makes think that you may be coming from a place of either privilege or sociopathy.
Just because someone disagree with you, doesn’t mean they have privilege or that they are sociopaths. Thank you!
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Goddamn, Mods, you finally remove something this poster says? Are you starting to see the light in regards to this…person?
You trying to bully and pressure me is either privilege or sociopathy.I did neither, in fact I don’t even respond to your comment where you might think I was responding directly to you.
Considering any third party is viable in the system as it exists today, make as much sense as playing Chess using the rules from Candy Land. It’s delusional and detached from reality.
It’s an unfortunate mathematical truth and no amount of wishing it otherwise will change that. That’s why for any non-primary election, it must be treated as harm reduction above all.
tells me you might be a fascist bigot, or you might be stupid.
And you trying to bully and pressure me, tells me the same things about yourself that you just accused me of. Either way, it’s not a persuasive argument to make anyone think you have anything of value to say.
I’m still voting third party. And proudly. Thank you!
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Removed, civility. You were fine right up until the end.
And I can honestly say I don’t really care how you vote.
Good! Because nothing you have said has made me change my mind. :)
I’ll point out that people have died because Trump was elected.
Every administration, regardless of party, has implemented policies that have tragically resulted in loss of life—whether it’s war, lack of healthcare reform, or economic policies that push people into poverty. Singling out one president as uniquely responsible ignores a long-standing pattern of decisions that harm the most vulnerable.
If we want real change, we need to focus on breaking the cycle, not just blaming one person.
I can vote however I want. For whoever I want. It’s my right. I respect your rights to vote for whoever you want. You can respect mine. Thank you!
Your not being bullied, your being bamboozled
Some people are trying to do both. And neither one is working. :)
I’m voting for Hulk Hogan
Ok, then.
If/until the US installs a ranked choice voting system and dissolves the electoral college, third party candidates are not viable.
Third parties will never be viable if we keep dismissing them and refuse to vote for them, which only strengthens the duopoly’s stranglehold on our political system.
If you choose Harris over Trump, you are choosing the lesser of two evils. If you choose between Fruit and Stein, you are choosing the lessor of two weevils.
Rather a weevil than an evil, friend.
You understand what you are doing and what people are telling you. No one believes that you don’t understand it.
No, there are plenty of genuine Greens and Socialists, no question about it. Quite a few post content on Lemmy without anyone bothering them.
You very specifically get a lot of heat though. This is due to how you interact in comment sections with people, and why you draw so much more heat than our entire instances of actual Marxist-Leninists.
The poster you’re replying to is very much designed to drive engagement, and any attention, good or bad, serves its purposes. I’d rather not feed this particular type of poster, but if we don’t point out the flaws in its reasoning, we might lose a few of those genuine Greens and Socialists.
I don’t disagree that voting in America is a pick between a steaming mug of donkey pee, and an elephant dung sandwich, and has been this way for decades. I’m even with you in that we should have a choice that doesn’t include donkey pee and elephant dung. But the reality is you can’t have 150 million different people in the world’s largest picnic each get different food, so there HAS to be a limited menu to vote from, lest nobody can agree on what we’re gonna eat and we all go hungry. And whatever has the most votes at the end of the day will be what we all eat, and unfortunately, that looks like it’ll be between not just donkey pee and elephant dung, but that the elephant has a bad case of gastroenteritis and the bread on the sandwich is EXTREMELY mouldy, AND there are a crazy number of rabid fans of elephant dung sandwiches for some fucked up reason. There are also a lot of crazies who have a taste for donkey pee, but at least you can wash that down with a stiff alcoholic drink. The elephant diarrhoea with two mouldy pieces of bread, on the other hand, can’t be gotten rid of except with a high-pressure wash. Since I don’t want the elephant excrement consumers to dictate what I am doing, and there’s not enough sane people in the world to offset the donkey pee or elephant dung choosers, I’ll pick the lesser of two evils.
And I say this as someone who is already a lockin for Proposition 131 (Colorado’s RCV) and who has voted third party in the past.
Yeah, I’m aware. I don’t think additional engagement in here actually benefits his goals in the long run, though, so I’m more than happy to take advantage of the situation to discuss the finer points of internet trolling for the benefit of the broader community.
edit: I also actually enjoy this process somewhat, it reminds me of simpler times I suppose. lol
True. Playing Whack-A-Troll is always fun…but we do have to be careful because the Mods have taken HUGE exceptions to calling a spade a spade here, while allowing this poster we’re talking about and a whole metric fuckton of other posters with … similar MOs to post their unmitigated BS unchallenged. Something about wanting to remain civil or something, despite this poster and others like it directly and overtly saying that they’ll keep posting their nonsense just to get a rise out of us. You know, the actual definition of trolling?
Fortunately I am also a fairly skilled line toe-er. I can take full advantage of the exact same loopholes as he does.
If this community is going to go down the 4chan troll-hole, which seems steadily more likely as time goes on, I’m not letting it go without a rhetorical fight. Especially when it comes with a pleasant dose of nostalgia.
Heh, I’ll leave it to you then. I’ll point out the flaws in this poster’s logic as I can, but really…with how prolific it is (can’t say it’s a bot, can’t say it’s a bot…), that’d be a fucking full-time job.
So much this. And it’s precisely how you can tell he’s a troll despite the /c/politics mod’s refusal to acknowledge it.
And this poster’s response to this was as predictable as the sun rising in the east, setting in the west, water rolling downhill, and Russell Wilson sitting on the bench for a different team while we pay for him. 🤣
You called this poster out properly, and the mods refusal to let us call a spade a spade here. Readers, I invite you to read the definition of a troll from Merriam-Webster: to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content. The poster that constantly changes its name over and over again repeats it’ll keep posting its content despite being soundly rejected over and over again, just so it can piss us off. I’m not asking for it to be removed, though I sure won’t turn down such an outcome. But can we at least call a spade a spade where this poster is concerned?
The reason the mods refuse “to acknowledge it” is because I’m not a troll. Just because you don’t agree with and you don’t like what I’m saying, doesn’t make me a troll.
This community is about diverse political thought. It wasn’t created to be an echo chamber in favor of one party.
Thank you!
Once again you intentionally miss the point. It’s your core competency.
I quoted your words, friend.
And?
Yeah? Because I refuse to change my mind? Beause I still haven’t. Downvotes or not. I’ll post what I want, where I want, when I want and I’ll vote for who I want to. As I respect others rights to do the same. Thank you! :)
No, not because you won’t change your mind, none of the Marxist-Leninists change their minds on a lot of stuff and still don’t draw much heat. Something else.
Why would I care what you or anyone else thinks about other socialists? I have the freedom to believe what I want, vote for who I want, and think for myself.
I’m sure some socialists agree with me, and some don’t.
That’s fine—everyone’s entitled to their own view. You have yours too, and I respect your right to that, but I’m not going to change what I believe just because you don’t like it. Thank you, friend! :)
Just correcting your thought. You like to frequently talk about how persecuted you are for your beliefs, but this is a red herring you lay down, since other people that post pro-socialist content do not get the same reaction as you. If this deflection is intentional, then you’re just lying.
Since other people get different reactions for posting the same sort of content you post, it must not be about the content. Some other aspect of your behavior, perhaps, that has nothing to do with being pro-socialist or critical of democrats. Personally I think it’s your incessant engagement in trolling behavior, but that’s just my own view that I am fully entitled to, of course. :)
See, I didn’t ask you to change, I’m just making sure the record is correct. The only one talking about you changing … is you.
Why would I let your opinions—or anyone else’s on Lemmy—dictate what I believe? Everyone’s free to think what they want, just as I’m free to do the same.
Personally I think it’s your incessant engagement in trolling behavior,
And personally I don’t think I’m engaging in trolling behavior. That’s my view that I am fully entitled to, of course. :)
Feel free to block me if you are tired of reading my posts or responding.
I don’t care if you think I’m a troll. I’m gonna post what I want, where I want, when I want. As is my right. I don’t have to explain anything to you if I don’t want to.
I’m not going anywhere. Thanks, friend! :)
One really has to wonder if you actually cannot grasp why people keep telling you why voting for a third-party in the current US electoral system is throwing away your vote, or if you’re just purposely misrepresenting the argument. Because literally nobody here thinks that.
One really has to wonder if you actually cannot grasp why people keep telling you why voting for a third-party
Oh I understand what they and you are trying to say.
I have to wonder if you actually cannot grasp that I don’t care and I am voting third-party and my beliefs anyway. :)
Lol, it would be nice if it were true, but it’s not.
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