Let me introduce you to a little thing called media production workflow, where there are over 500 different file formats in active use, and getting it right forms the basis of most links in a chain hundreds of links long.
You start sending me botched files with the wrong codecs and see if I don’t find another subcontractor immediately.
I thought we were talking about media production but your goalposts are over there in the playground.
Botched means I asked for more industry standard production files and you gave me something else, because you don’t understand ROI in industry. Equipment is cheap compared to time. Just use the tools the job requires.
I used to teach guerilla filmmaking back in the day of “desktop video is the next big thing” so I see where you’re coming from, even if you hide your ignorance about the work behind ideals. Knock yourself out learning to edit with a cheap gaming rig and the free version of Resolve, make cool stuff and upload, start a wedding video business.
But get work in a large production as a contractor? The tools are cheap compared to time and amortized quickly in taxes. Buy the tool the job requires. Skills should be platform agnostic.
Botched means I asked for more industry standard production files and you gave me something else
That’s not what “botched” means but thank you for clarifying.
Equipment is cheap compared to time.
Sure but you don’t have to choose. They can be both inexpensive and time-efficient, and without supporting a user-hostile and eco-destructive company. And you’re limiting your talent pool to those with the funds to constantly buy and replace multi-thousand-dollar disposable machines, for absolutely no reason.
Skills should be platform agnostic.
I agree but you’re contradicting yourself. What you’re saying, in no uncertain words, is that your skills don’t matter unless you use a Mac.
The latter, yes. If you go to a meeting and don’t have a MBP, they’re going to think you don’t know what you’re doing half the time. And if you have a MBP for remote work, you might as well have an iMac or a Mac Pro to do work with at home too.
I’m out of the industry now and my MBP died, so I’m running Mint on a Thinkpad. And when this iMac dies, I’ll probably do something similar.
But if you are in the industry and show up to a meeting with a Thinkpad (or any other non-Mac), they’re often going to think you’re an amateur.
I would say that money isnt always the most important thing.
Then you don’t have kids.
Sorry, I’m not going to stop putting food on the table out of some anti-Apple idealism. There are far bigger issues in this world than which type of computer people choose to buy.
I do have kids, that’s why I care about where the money I’m paid comes from, and what my work contributes to my community and those outside of it as well.
I don’t think there is value here to teaching my kids that they should only do or value what those who make the most money do or value.
Moderation of everything is important, including the pursuit of wealth.
Do you think I’m rich or something? I’m not. I’ve never been rich.
You’re treating this like supporting fucking Nestle or something. This is an order of magnitude lower than that. Yes, Apple is a shitty company. You really think it’s such a shitty company that I should have been willing to be paid less money rather than use their products out of some principled stand? That’s ludicrous. I’m not some sort of Apple ambassador. I’m not going around telling people to buy Apple products for any reason other than the one I gave- that you want certain media jobs.
However, unlike you apparently, I also don’t think someone’s choice of computer is really all that impactful in the world compared to, I don’t know, almost any other form of legitimate activism.
I’d wager I have done a hell of a lot more good volunteering at food banks and other services for the poor and homeless than you have by refusing to buy a Mac.
Never said what you should do, you were the one who attacked my character and what I would teach my children.
You implied if one wants to work in your industry they need a macbook. I accept your premise that you might be turned away from good opportunities for not having one, although that will vary from person to person of course.
What I am saying is that what constitutes a good job also varies. One that pays marginally less but allows you to maintain your values, might be worth more to someone than a job that pays more but doesnt fit their values.
What you are teaching your kids is a narrow perspective, and it might work out fine but I find that limiting so I choose to teach my kids that values come first, even if they evolve over time.
Also, you are deflecting quite a bit, charity work has nothing to do with other actions, surely you know that. I also never called you wealthy, I referenced the pursuit of wealth, which is very common in American culture.
Seems highly unlikely that an employer cares terribly about what kind of hardware you use. All they care about is the end result.
Let me introduce you to a little thing called media production workflow, where there are over 500 different file formats in active use, and getting it right forms the basis of most links in a chain hundreds of links long.
You start sending me botched files with the wrong codecs and see if I don’t find another subcontractor immediately.
So you’re getting botched files and that is the fault of the operating system? 🤔
Maybe. You think I’m getting ProRes RAW files from your Win11/Premiere rig? Fired.
I have no idea. That’s what I’m asking. You mentioned “botched” files but now you’re moving the goalposts to proprietary file formats?
I thought we were talking about media production but your goalposts are over there in the playground.
Botched means I asked for more industry standard production files and you gave me something else, because you don’t understand ROI in industry. Equipment is cheap compared to time. Just use the tools the job requires.
I used to teach guerilla filmmaking back in the day of “desktop video is the next big thing” so I see where you’re coming from, even if you hide your ignorance about the work behind ideals. Knock yourself out learning to edit with a cheap gaming rig and the free version of Resolve, make cool stuff and upload, start a wedding video business.
But get work in a large production as a contractor? The tools are cheap compared to time and amortized quickly in taxes. Buy the tool the job requires. Skills should be platform agnostic.
That’s not what “botched” means but thank you for clarifying.
Sure but you don’t have to choose. They can be both inexpensive and time-efficient, and without supporting a user-hostile and eco-destructive company. And you’re limiting your talent pool to those with the funds to constantly buy and replace multi-thousand-dollar disposable machines, for absolutely no reason.
I agree but you’re contradicting yourself. What you’re saying, in no uncertain words, is that your skills don’t matter unless you use a Mac.
Well you clearly know my industry better than I do, so I’ll defer to your expert knowledge.
Are we just talking about Final Cut Pro here? Theres a pretty short list of applications that don’t work on linux or windows well.
Do you just mean its easier to get a job if you have a Mac?
The latter, yes. If you go to a meeting and don’t have a MBP, they’re going to think you don’t know what you’re doing half the time. And if you have a MBP for remote work, you might as well have an iMac or a Mac Pro to do work with at home too.
I’m out of the industry now and my MBP died, so I’m running Mint on a Thinkpad. And when this iMac dies, I’ll probably do something similar.
But if you are in the industry and show up to a meeting with a Thinkpad (or any other non-Mac), they’re often going to think you’re an amateur.
Is it fair? No. But them’s the breaks.
I think you are essentially saying using Apple on average will make you more money, but I would say that money isnt always the most important thing.
Plenty of people choose to make less money than they know they could with other means, for a variety of reasons.
The question is whether there is room at all for that group of people in your industry in the US?
Then you don’t have kids.
Sorry, I’m not going to stop putting food on the table out of some anti-Apple idealism. There are far bigger issues in this world than which type of computer people choose to buy.
I do have kids, that’s why I care about where the money I’m paid comes from, and what my work contributes to my community and those outside of it as well.
I don’t think there is value here to teaching my kids that they should only do or value what those who make the most money do or value.
Moderation of everything is important, including the pursuit of wealth.
Do you think I’m rich or something? I’m not. I’ve never been rich.
You’re treating this like supporting fucking Nestle or something. This is an order of magnitude lower than that. Yes, Apple is a shitty company. You really think it’s such a shitty company that I should have been willing to be paid less money rather than use their products out of some principled stand? That’s ludicrous. I’m not some sort of Apple ambassador. I’m not going around telling people to buy Apple products for any reason other than the one I gave- that you want certain media jobs.
However, unlike you apparently, I also don’t think someone’s choice of computer is really all that impactful in the world compared to, I don’t know, almost any other form of legitimate activism.
I’d wager I have done a hell of a lot more good volunteering at food banks and other services for the poor and homeless than you have by refusing to buy a Mac.
Never said what you should do, you were the one who attacked my character and what I would teach my children.
You implied if one wants to work in your industry they need a macbook. I accept your premise that you might be turned away from good opportunities for not having one, although that will vary from person to person of course.
What I am saying is that what constitutes a good job also varies. One that pays marginally less but allows you to maintain your values, might be worth more to someone than a job that pays more but doesnt fit their values.
What you are teaching your kids is a narrow perspective, and it might work out fine but I find that limiting so I choose to teach my kids that values come first, even if they evolve over time.
Also, you are deflecting quite a bit, charity work has nothing to do with other actions, surely you know that. I also never called you wealthy, I referenced the pursuit of wealth, which is very common in American culture.