What is the excuse for Germany? The US won’t, but can blame AIPAC for holding them hostage. Is there something similar going on there or is it some remnant of guilt from the Holocaust that compels them to assist Israel after all they’ve done?
It is partly guilt from the Holocaust, as in Germany is a big part of the reason Israel exists. So this entire Israel antisemitism plays very different in Germany. Also Scholz Ukraine response was weak and he got a lot of bad press for it, so he tried to go hard pro Israel. At the same time new export permits have not been issued for months, as there is a refusal to deliver any weapons, which could be used for war crimes, while being the largest donor to Palestine.
So a weird situation. The US going hard on Israel would help a lot though, to clean that up.
Thanks for the insight! I wish we could go harder on Israel here, but with our outrageously stupid ruling that corporations are people and money is speech, we now have all political parties beholden to large money influence because you can’t limit the freedom of speech… :(
Yes and no. Germany did not give citizenship to any Holocaust surviver, but it did restore citizenship to former German citizens pretty much as soon as the allies took control and it ended up being part of the Basic Law in 1949 as well. Otherwise Jews were supposed to be treated as citizens of their respective countries. So Soviet Jews were supposed to be treated as aliens, since they were Soviet citizens.
They could have gone back to their country of origin and some did, but Israel seemed like a better option compared to destroyed Europe.
It is also a veil for anti-muslim racism, painting antisemitism as “imported” by muslims (despite German Nazis being the main perpetrators of antisemiticm crime) and taking the support for Israel as “proof” of not being bigoted.
Bonus points for using it to attacked progressive leftists and label them as antisemitic or terror supporters without having to engage with their demands. Also the fascists from the AfD and now the CDU are using it to push around the less fascist parties. They made “unconditionally supporting Israel” a ritual to prove how good or bad people they are. So when the AfD demands something in regards to Israel the SPD, Green and others try to top it. Can’t be that the Nazis are better friends of Israel than they are…
Meanwhile these things are used to repress non zionist Jews, who get disproportionately affected by getting their funding cut in culture and science, being excluded from events and even being attacked by “anti-antisemitism commisioners”, with accusations like being “allegedly jewish”. So Germany is back to classifying who are “good” and who are “bad” Jews.
It has nothing to do with logic or consistent values. It is a psychotic hysteria.
You’re getting downvoted because, for all their faults, the SPD is not run by fascists, quasi-fascists or “morally conflicted fascist-adjacent”. Neither has this ever been the case, nor is it going to happen in the foreseeable future. You’re not even in the ballpark of correct. Best case scenario is that you like to use the word “fascist” inflationarily. But even that wouldn’t be much better, as it effectively downplays the threat of and the horrors committed by actual fascists.
If you’d referred to the SPD as a party run by something like a cumulation of unimaginative, spineless and corrupt conservatives larping as social democrats, there’d be some grounds for discussion. This, instead, just makes you look like a troll.
To be honest, I’m only replying because I do not want your comment to stand on its own.
Even though the comment is removed now, I’d like to add that equating social democrats with fascism, i.e. ‘social fascism theory’, kind of lead to the disunity in the fight against the NSDAP from the communist side (KPD). This is not supposed to downplay the actions of the SPD during and in the emergence of the Weimar republic, but ‘social fascism theory’ didn’t help 1930s antifascism nor do I think does it help 2020s antifascism.
What is the excuse for Germany? The US won’t, but can blame AIPAC for holding them hostage. Is there something similar going on there or is it some remnant of guilt from the Holocaust that compels them to assist Israel after all they’ve done?
It is partly guilt from the Holocaust, as in Germany is a big part of the reason Israel exists. So this entire Israel antisemitism plays very different in Germany. Also Scholz Ukraine response was weak and he got a lot of bad press for it, so he tried to go hard pro Israel. At the same time new export permits have not been issued for months, as there is a refusal to deliver any weapons, which could be used for war crimes, while being the largest donor to Palestine.
So a weird situation. The US going hard on Israel would help a lot though, to clean that up.
Thanks for the insight! I wish we could go harder on Israel here, but with our outrageously stupid ruling that corporations are people and money is speech, we now have all political parties beholden to large money influence because you can’t limit the freedom of speech… :(
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Yes and no. Germany did not give citizenship to any Holocaust surviver, but it did restore citizenship to former German citizens pretty much as soon as the allies took control and it ended up being part of the Basic Law in 1949 as well. Otherwise Jews were supposed to be treated as citizens of their respective countries. So Soviet Jews were supposed to be treated as aliens, since they were Soviet citizens.
They could have gone back to their country of origin and some did, but Israel seemed like a better option compared to destroyed Europe.
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It is also a veil for anti-muslim racism, painting antisemitism as “imported” by muslims (despite German Nazis being the main perpetrators of antisemiticm crime) and taking the support for Israel as “proof” of not being bigoted.
Bonus points for using it to attacked progressive leftists and label them as antisemitic or terror supporters without having to engage with their demands. Also the fascists from the AfD and now the CDU are using it to push around the less fascist parties. They made “unconditionally supporting Israel” a ritual to prove how good or bad people they are. So when the AfD demands something in regards to Israel the SPD, Green and others try to top it. Can’t be that the Nazis are better friends of Israel than they are…
Meanwhile these things are used to repress non zionist Jews, who get disproportionately affected by getting their funding cut in culture and science, being excluded from events and even being attacked by “anti-antisemitism commisioners”, with accusations like being “allegedly jewish”. So Germany is back to classifying who are “good” and who are “bad” Jews.
It has nothing to do with logic or consistent values. It is a psychotic hysteria.
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You’re getting downvoted because, for all their faults, the SPD is not run by fascists, quasi-fascists or “morally conflicted fascist-adjacent”. Neither has this ever been the case, nor is it going to happen in the foreseeable future. You’re not even in the ballpark of correct. Best case scenario is that you like to use the word “fascist” inflationarily. But even that wouldn’t be much better, as it effectively downplays the threat of and the horrors committed by actual fascists.
If you’d referred to the SPD as a party run by something like a cumulation of unimaginative, spineless and corrupt conservatives larping as social democrats, there’d be some grounds for discussion. This, instead, just makes you look like a troll.
To be honest, I’m only replying because I do not want your comment to stand on its own.
Even though the comment is removed now, I’d like to add that equating social democrats with fascism, i.e. ‘social fascism theory’, kind of lead to the disunity in the fight against the NSDAP from the communist side (KPD). This is not supposed to downplay the actions of the SPD during and in the emergence of the Weimar republic, but ‘social fascism theory’ didn’t help 1930s antifascism nor do I think does it help 2020s antifascism.
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