I have reverse search extension on both phone and pc. I checked it because she was drugged up so much that she had a head pain (judging by hands position and face expression) and tear coming from her eye. Which suggests “Hard or illegal drug use”. Another reason to check your post was the previous interaction with you, where you showed of your “haha moderator” mindset and basically called me a boomer who asks women to dress up and someone who accommodates peoples with “hangups concerning the human body”. It all really seemed like an attempt to push your opinion using labels. I wasn’t insulted by it, but it made a certain impression of you.
You made assumptions, and they were wrong
This whole discussion kinda proves that they were right.
If that’s genuinely what you want …
No. I want you to fight your strong antagonism. After that I will have some hope that you won’t start doing something stupid again and will unban you without any restrictions. I will even be ok if you will continue on ani.social. It will be a bit unfortunate, but, alright. I admit that your last post probably could be handled differently and there were faults in the rules, likely they are still there. Honestly, I don’t think you deserve any apologies, though I’m not asking for any from you too.
Also, in light of most of my DMs apparently being eaten by federation issues, I’ll drop and retract the animosity. I’m sorry about that.
In return, I expect you to acknowledge that I did in fact attempt to reach you cordially.
My criticism of your policies and actions stands, however.
And, I was hardly referring to your assumptions about my charachter, but rather your assumption that my violation of any rules was at any point intentional. Which again, considering I do not actively choose what to post at any given minute, can’t possibly be the case.
And let me explain what I mean when I say that your response was out of line.
As moderators, our task is to enact and enforce rules. But enforcement doesn’t just mean deleting any and all offenders. We want to be as welcoming as possible while still not allowing the rules to be bent significantly out of true.
This means applying logic in our actions, doing things that are likely to modify behavior towards the ideal, so that near-compliance can become compliance, instead of lost activity.
You applied a ban so long, it will be EASIER for me to just supplant your community entirely, rather than wait it out and come back with improved behaviour.
I moderate over a dozen communities. You seriously think I have a “Haha moderator” mindset? Again. I wasn’t fibbing that I will unconditionally obey admins and moderators. Even if you made complaining against the rules, I’d comply.
And what you seem to be saying, is that you did take it personally?
That you did in fact allow it to affect your image of me in a way that made you to more rash, less considered, and potentially unfair in taking action against me?
I did not call you anything. I pointed out that your logic has parallel’s with some mysoginistic ways of thinking. Am I wrong? Maybe.
You’re free to think so, but if you want to change my mind on it, you’ll have to explain why. In fact, to disagree with someone, you should be able to explain that to yourself in a way that would convince most people.
And what was I supposed to do? Not explain why I thought your policy and that particular decision was too much in my view? You felt I tried to force something, but how can mere words do that? A user cannot force a moderator to do anything, except by convincing them. So I put my qualms into words. If you took offence, that was entirely unintended.
If you found yourself unable to dismantle my argument… Then I don’t know what to tell you. That’s the feeling you get when someone is trying to change your mind, and you haven’t figured out why they’re wrong yet. And if theyre right, you won’t ever figure it out (unless you opt to delude yourself, which I don’t think you’re the type to do).
I think it is beautiful, but you say it’s obscene?!
And if you do genuinely find it obscene, why would you need to check the danbooru rating? Why do you defer to some random moderator on an image board if you yourself or your users have perfectly functioning senses of judgement?
Your new rules are far more sane, but you needed to be enforcing things like the words “rule of thumb” already meant something from the get-go. When telling users to edit their posts, tell them to do so because YOU think they should, not because some inconsistent third party arbitrarily says so. The former feels like a request to respect your sensibilities. The latter comes off as you being a stickler for pointless technicalities, and is therefore abrasive.
The trouble with art, is that it isn’t objective. Yet you refuse to have a discussion about where the averages of everyone in a group lies. You offload the work of evaluation to a fallible third party in danbooru, and you justify things retroactively with subjective interpretations that don’t even account for artist intent. And you clearly ignore other people voting on the points you and I make.
Didn’t receive it:
I have reverse search extension on both phone and pc. I checked it because she was drugged up so much that she had a head pain (judging by hands position and face expression) and tear coming from her eye. Which suggests “Hard or illegal drug use”. Another reason to check your post was the previous interaction with you, where you showed of your “haha moderator” mindset and basically called me a boomer who asks women to dress up and someone who accommodates peoples with “hangups concerning the human body”. It all really seemed like an attempt to push your opinion using labels. I wasn’t insulted by it, but it made a certain impression of you.
This whole discussion kinda proves that they were right.
No. I want you to fight your strong antagonism. After that I will have some hope that you won’t start doing something stupid again and will unban you without any restrictions. I will even be ok if you will continue on ani.social. It will be a bit unfortunate, but, alright. I admit that your last post probably could be handled differently and there were faults in the rules, likely they are still there. Honestly, I don’t think you deserve any apologies, though I’m not asking for any from you too.
Also, in light of most of my DMs apparently being eaten by federation issues, I’ll drop and retract the animosity. I’m sorry about that.
In return, I expect you to acknowledge that I did in fact attempt to reach you cordially.
My criticism of your policies and actions stands, however.
And, I was hardly referring to your assumptions about my charachter, but rather your assumption that my violation of any rules was at any point intentional. Which again, considering I do not actively choose what to post at any given minute, can’t possibly be the case.
And let me explain what I mean when I say that your response was out of line.
As moderators, our task is to enact and enforce rules. But enforcement doesn’t just mean deleting any and all offenders. We want to be as welcoming as possible while still not allowing the rules to be bent significantly out of true.
This means applying logic in our actions, doing things that are likely to modify behavior towards the ideal, so that near-compliance can become compliance, instead of lost activity.
You applied a ban so long, it will be EASIER for me to just supplant your community entirely, rather than wait it out and come back with improved behaviour.
…
I moderate over a dozen communities. You seriously think I have a “Haha moderator” mindset? Again. I wasn’t fibbing that I will unconditionally obey admins and moderators. Even if you made complaining against the rules, I’d comply.
And what you seem to be saying, is that you did take it personally?
That you did in fact allow it to affect your image of me in a way that made you to more rash, less considered, and potentially unfair in taking action against me?
I did not call you anything. I pointed out that your logic has parallel’s with some mysoginistic ways of thinking. Am I wrong? Maybe.
You’re free to think so, but if you want to change my mind on it, you’ll have to explain why. In fact, to disagree with someone, you should be able to explain that to yourself in a way that would convince most people.
And what was I supposed to do? Not explain why I thought your policy and that particular decision was too much in my view? You felt I tried to force something, but how can mere words do that? A user cannot force a moderator to do anything, except by convincing them. So I put my qualms into words. If you took offence, that was entirely unintended.
If you found yourself unable to dismantle my argument… Then I don’t know what to tell you. That’s the feeling you get when someone is trying to change your mind, and you haven’t figured out why they’re wrong yet. And if theyre right, you won’t ever figure it out (unless you opt to delude yourself, which I don’t think you’re the type to do).
Head pain? Drug use?
The artist has depicted complicated emotion, inspired by the song Hello, my friend. It’s right there in the danbooru artist commentary.
I think it is beautiful, but you say it’s obscene?!
And if you do genuinely find it obscene, why would you need to check the danbooru rating? Why do you defer to some random moderator on an image board if you yourself or your users have perfectly functioning senses of judgement?
Your new rules are far more sane, but you needed to be enforcing things like the words “rule of thumb” already meant something from the get-go. When telling users to edit their posts, tell them to do so because YOU think they should, not because some inconsistent third party arbitrarily says so. The former feels like a request to respect your sensibilities. The latter comes off as you being a stickler for pointless technicalities, and is therefore abrasive.
The trouble with art, is that it isn’t objective. Yet you refuse to have a discussion about where the averages of everyone in a group lies. You offload the work of evaluation to a fallible third party in danbooru, and you justify things retroactively with subjective interpretations that don’t even account for artist intent. And you clearly ignore other people voting on the points you and I make.