At some point I have to start wondering if Putin pays these sorts of people.
I could see a strong argument for personal safety around such a question (potential for self-incrimination and going through windows) but bigotry is a head scratcher.
I legit would not be surprised if Dessalines takes money from some unsavory people to operate .ml as a kind of information war training ground.
User donations are certainly not generating him any real cash flow.
To be fair, the first part of the sentence kinda sounds like an accusation against Russians. However, it isn’t something i would consider worthy to be deleted.
I remember when the Ukraine war started and in the comments of one of the first reddit posts were full of Russian people saying how they hated it and they just wanted peace. Nowadays I can’t remember the last time I saw someone who is Russian on reddit or Lemmy really.
On the one hand, a quick check of the author’s posts shows that he is just an obvious pro-NATO shill and his question was in bad faith, so Dessalines did nothing wrong by kicking him out.
On the other hand, this thread could have led to an insightful discussion that would have been interesting to read, so it’s a shame that it was removed.
In the very beginning, .ml had the unique vibe of a truly decentralized international community with thousands of people from all over the world with different worldviews, leading to fiery and thought-provoking discussions in threads. Unfortunately, it is now actively turning into a hexbear/grad style far-left echo chamber.
This may be a controversial opinion, but I think instances and communities should just ban people for acting in bad faith. There’s very little actual insightful discussion that you can have without someone trying to just win some unilateral debate with some really obnoxious comments. I hate seeing people arguing and being rude all over the place.
I try my best to be the change I want to see in the world, but it’s really tough sometimes to try and stay positive and constructive when you’re just enduring endless personal insults
The user who posted this is a notorious turbo lib.
notorious turbo lib
Meaning he’s someone who concern trolls about “oppression of russians by the russian state” when we all know Putin is a great leader and all those dead Ukranian nazis is a good thing and being a conquering empire is actually okay if you’re not western?
Shut the fuck up.
I’m an anarchist lol?
Then it should be easy for you to disagree with them in comments
turbo lol
Could you please provide evidence for this claim?
Tankies haven’t learned that ignoring things to reduce visibility tend to be more effective censorship than creating a streisand effect.
That’s how the west learnt to do deal with it. Manipulate it in the backend, not the front, and if caught, blame it on a bug.
I like it here on lemmy. But people like this being main devs leaves sour taste to it
It honestly makes me concerned about the broader security risks of using lemmy. There’s a lot of opportunity for them to target users they don’t like by serving them malicious content via lemmy.ml, and they have shown nothing to indicate that they are above this kind of thing imo.
There is a way to block an instance, no? Or maybe I don’t understand what you mean…
I think a lot of people are going to switch to piefed once that gets more fleshed out. It federates with all lemmy but has a different and more open dev team working on it. They already have a bunch of cool features lemmy is currently lacking.
By “a lot” I’m guessing you mean a steady and eventually declining population of a few thousand monthly users?
We don’t.have a lot of users, even if everyone switches they won’t get a lot of users.
Piefed looks like an interesting project for sure. I don’t know much about it though - are they getting close to feature parity with Lemmy?
In many ways they already are ahead. The front end is a bit wonky though, and some of the foundational features are still catching up (it’s fully functioning though).
For one thing, they have “categories” of communities, and for another I can block all users from any instance I choose - though there is really no easy way to accomplish that while still on Lemmy proper.
But like when you upvote something, later it remembers that but won’t show you the color. The interface is really pretty though, and solves several of the issues I had with Lemmy, like another one is that you can turn on viewing or both the upvote and separate downvote counts, which for Lemmy iirc you can only see that for comments, but for posts that only shows on the mobile site yet not on the desktop for some reason.
The PieFed devs are super responsive, quite extraordinary so imho. It’s like they care or something (uh… cause they do, ofc!:-).
So especially since Lemmy is not perfect either, check out both Mbin and PieFed and just see them in action without an account, just for the fun of it.:-)
There’s no way Python and Flask are going to scale as well as Rust. It’s going to require more hardware to run and be able to handle fewer users.
The DB is all that matters. Python can scale very well through parallelization. So long as one doesn’t restrict themselves to one process, there’s really little chokepoint.
I think a lot of people are going to switch to piefed
The big problem is that it isn’t really possible for instances to switch from Lemmy to PieFed, or any other ActivityPub software.
Once a Piefed instance is mature enough, I could consider asking a few communities I mod if they would be okay to migrate to it.
!casualconversation@lemm.ee for instance doesn’t really need to be able to edit past posts, and we already moved from LW to lemm.ee. Moving again to another instance wouldn’t be that different.
That’s a highly specific comm though and most instances/comms would not be okay losing the history. You also inevitably stunt growth and lose some users during such a migration. It would be much better if ActivityPub allowed an instance to change its underlying representation, while keeping all the users and post and data but unfortunately this is basically impossible.
Now i recall why there’s a push against migrating to lemmy when reddit blackout happened. I thought it doesn’t really matter, turns out they’re right.
Yeah, it was and is the major issue with lemmy I think.
On the other hand, it’s an open source project amd there are likely other contributors that don’t agree with them ideologically. And as long as you don’t interact with the .ml instance it should not effect you.
There will be assholes everywhere.
The thread the comment was in. Seemed like a very relevant question.
https://lemmy.world/post/21619412
Note that dessalines isn’t even a moderator of the community, but a lemmy.ml instance admin. Instance rule 1 is related to bigotry, so according to Lemmy dev dessalines, it’s bigoted to ask the russian population if they are oppressed or support their country invading ukraine.
That’s mod rule 1. Admin rule #1 is “Don’t get visited by the KGB”.
Maybe we shouldn’t hang out on servers where Russia has jurisdiction.
Wait are you exaggerating/joking or is ML literally hosted in Russia?
The domain is registered in Mali, hence .ml. Not sure where Dessalines and Nutomic are from.
Tankies gonna tank. Never question the orthodoxy in an echo bunker.
I feel like using Lemmy.ml here is cheating.
perhaps I should have posted in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works but that sub is basically preaching to the choir
The best reason to use MWoG is how much its existence upsets the tankies. Dessalines in particular is obviosly extremely fragile.
You can cross-post it there, I feel like there is merit to having this get as much exposure as possible. Also !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org is another good one, it’s a bit smaller but still good place to share stuff like this.
Still good to collect stuff there
Ye that’s a ptb
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I feel like we need something along the lines of “ML - Yes, that’s lemmy.ml” added to the acronym list. Or maybe “WKB - Well known bastards”?
What’s rule 1 anyway? I don’t want to wade into that cesspool to find out?
Rule 1 is whatever they want it to be. They don’t moderate anything in good faith at ml.
much like codes of conduct I feel like it’s a false flag to handwave bad moderation using questionable interpretations of subjective terminology.
instance rule 1 is no bigotry.
Since dessalines is not a mod but an instance admin I assume that’s the justification for the removal.
“Open-ended question”
Edit: Why you two downvoting this? I literally just quoted the rule to answer their question. lol
I think the instance reason was why it was removed. Otherwise that would be extremely weird enforcement of open ended questions rule. Enforcing it on a random comment, while the original post itself is a single yes/no question…
Why didn’t you ask this in .world?
Not my comment. I was just scrolling through the modlog because I got bored and was (unfortunately not suprised) by this questionable ML modding decision
Ah so it was just a typical “.ml bad hurr durr” post. Sorry, I thought it was something important.
Maybe “.ml bad” posts are typical for a reason.
Yeah. It’s called tribalism.
Is that the only possibility though? Is there maybe a chance that .ml is bad?
Yeah. It’s tribalism.
Oh, I see. It is tribalism. On your part.
Well to me it’s important that the main lemmy dev blantantly removes anything questioning Russia’s imperialist war in Ukraine but suit yourself.
I mean what implications would it have for Lemmy if their main dev became affiliated with possibly sanctioned Russian companies, probably wouldn’t mean good things for Lemmy as a project and since Sublinks is nowhere near there yet that could mean big problems for the Forums side of the Fediverse.
There is also both Mbin and PieFed that are fairly developed.
The problem is being able to migrate existing instances to those, not just having other software available. Current instances can’t easily move over at the drop of a hat, for many it would straight up kill them to have to start from scratch. And as far as I’m aware Lemmy Database isn’t compatible with either so they’d have to start from scratch on the new software.
Once a Piefed instance is mature enough, I could consider asking a few communities I mod if they would be okay to migrate to it.
!casualconversation@lemm.ee for instance doesn’t really need to be able to edit past posts, and we already moved from LW to lemm.ee. Moving again to another instance wouldn’t be that different.
Thank you for the explanation.
Although there are existing instances of Mbin and PieFed that I would guess would not have that problem, bc they already have posts in their own respective formats? And any new Lemmy instance I thought would have the same issues - as in even if an older post would federate, the comments and votes that happened prior to that action would not (if I’m reading https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/1907501 correctly), plus even existing ones like aussie.zone seem like they can lose content if the backlog of bulk sending of actions does not get cleared within 7 days time.
Still, it’s an excellent point about existing instances already running Lemmy not wanting to switch to Mbin or PieFed, but that could perhaps switch to Sublinks.
Though individual users could move, and still keep posting to the same communities as they had been.
