• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    The funniest part of this is the idea that there will be an opposition party in anything but a token way after this.

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        8 hours ago

        Was there a party that did not install SCOTUS justices that were so ideologically conservative that they did things like end national legal abortion and gut the ability of government regulation agencies to regulate?

        Yes there was. But that party is not coming back except as a token now because people just didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to vote.

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          But that party is not coming back except as a token now because people just didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to vote

          The party didn’t think stopping the rapist fascist dictator was a good enough reason to listen to their voters

          FTFY

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            6 hours ago

            Nope. They can’t force anyone to vote for them. People thought not voting was a better plan than stopping the rapist fascist dictator when they only had two possible choices.

            There was an absolute mountain of evidence that Trump would be a disaster. They didn’t vote anyway because they knew they weren’t going to get a pony.

            Voting for people in a two-party system is the stupidest thing you can do because you will never get your way with any one politician. So you vote against and keep voting against until you get closer and closer to what you want.

            Just not voting or voting for third party candidates that will clearly lose against someone who has an automatic 30% of the vote doesn’t stop the worst possible thing from happening and it never will.

            If you didn’t vote to stop Trump from getting into office, I blame you. You had warning after warning and your idealism was more important to you.

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              I agree with Flying Squid. It’s bizarre to think any sane person would now decide that the right strategy is to hate on minorities, or ditch all pretty normal behaviour such as adhere to the FUCKING LAW, NOT LIE (and spare me the #FalseEquivalence, it’s jaywalking Dems vs serial rapist Trump) and listen to effing EXPERTS. Dems should stick to their principles and await the serious shit show which is gonna happen with mass deportations, tariffs and even MORE INFLATION.

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              6 hours ago

              They can’t force anyone to vote for them.

              Yup, which is why you need to give them reason to vote.

              Democrats have been parading around “most important election of our lifetime” for fucking years - don’t be surprised that it didn’t work yet again.

              The reason why Trump is popular is because there is legitimate pain and struggle in the working class, and he affirmed that pain and struggle (even if he was misidentifying the source of that pain). Telling voters “things are good, actually, and the other guy is gonna ruin it” is just dumb.

              Democrats didn’t run on popular policy and they got destroyed because of it.

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                Your post is CLASSIC misdirection and misrepresenting what the Dems actually did. IF these elections were fair, and I’ve reason to think they were not, then they got lost on higher gas prices. Which is A PRETTY STUPID AND SELFISH reason to vote for/not care about mass deportations. And they lost it on not attacking trump on the border and on the economy.

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                Who said “things are good actually”?? Seems to me that Harris had plenty of policy proposals that would have resulted in a meaningful improvement to the bottom line of the average American.

                Biden has also been better for the average American than trump was. For fucks sake, Trump actually got away with raising taxes on all of us to support his tax cut for the rich, simply because the average person is too low information to grasp the idea of a tax cut that expires!

                So yeah, plenty of actual reasons to say that one candidate is better than the other, without needing to be wowed by an actual messiah who can dismantle our fucked up system and solve everybody’s problems.

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                  3 hours ago

                  They repeatedly touted our economic recovery was ‘the best in the G6’.

                  Even when our economy is ‘good’ it’s shit for most people. That’s the problem with being a neoliberal status quo party: it doesn’t help most of the people they need to vote for them

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                6 hours ago

                They had a reason to vote.

                Their reason was that a rapist fascist who quoted Hitler and clearly has dementia that promised to deport millions of people and be a dictator on day one only had a 50/50 chance of being president.

                And they didn’t care because they didn’t like Kamala Harris much. Was she any of those things? No. But her boss is funding the same genocide in Israel that Trump said to Netanyahu “finish the job” about on national television, so no one better vote for her either!

                Sorry, not a good enough reason to not stop Trump. Not a good enough reason to refuse to vote. Not a good enough reason to vote third party.

                For fuck’s sake, do you think people voted for Joe Biden in 2020 because they thought he would be a terrific president?

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                  6 hours ago

                  do you think people voted for Joe Biden in 2020 because they thought he would be a terrific president?

                  they voted for Biden because he made meaningful concessions to the progressive caucus. He gave Bernie a prominent roll in his campaign and made promises about student loan forgiveness and raising the minimum wage, on top of affirming people’s anxiety about covid and a pledge to address it.

                  Harris had none of that. She didn’t primary against progressive candidates, didn’t have to address progressive concerns, and when there was vocal opposition to any of her policies she said “excuse me, i’m speaking”. She was more right-moderate than Biden was, even if only because she didn’t face the progressive primary he did.

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                    2 hours ago

                    Biden may have had (relatively minor) details around the side but his campaign message was straight center.

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                    6 hours ago

                    You still don’t get it.

                    It isn’t about voting for Harris.

                    It’s about voting against Trump.

                    You can give me all sorts of reasons why Harris wasn’t an appealing candidate. It’s not relevant. Trump was a clear and present danger.

                    I don’t give a shit about whether or not people liked her or whatever their idealistic reasons not to vote for her were. None of them justify allowing Trump to take office by refusing stop him from doing it. That is on people who refused to vote or vote third party. You were not going to get the candidate you wanted this year. You were a fool if you didn’t know that.