I feel bad for AOC. She has to work with people daily that actively and vocally wish her harm and who have a rabid cult as followers. She honestly has a lot of guts to do what she does and say what she says. She is one of the few in Congress who actually deserve to be there.
Something tells me it was genuinely scarier being a bartender in the Bronx as a young, conventionally attractive woman.
But yeah, she’s got some stones.
I mean… her story about what happened on J6 is frankly pretty fucking harrowing. Don’t get me wrong - being a Bronx bartender as a young, attractive woman must be pretty damn sketchy at times, but as a singular event, especially after becoming an extremely well known and (depending on political affiliation) adored/reviled politician, I daresay this might take the cake.
And I don’t mean to diminish her past experience of assault by saying that either. All I mean is that a relatively sudden, unexpected assault, while traumatic, has a much different mental context than knowing “there’s a group of people who have HATED me for my entire term, and they’ve broken in, and the don’t just want to relish in their power over me if they catch me, but they will want to torment me as long as possible, and they will definitely kill me, and it won’t be quick”.
I honestly wouldn’t be able to say which job I would expect to get her more sexual harassment.
Current.
As the bartender, she had cut-off and 86 authority. Act sideways with a bartender, find another place to drink. But when the creeps are your “peers” I think it’s tougher to navigate.
I wish she had been the democratic candidate
Me too. She’s like a Bernie 2.0. She deserves a lot of respect for standing up for what’s right.
I’d vote for the two of them on a ticket
I predict that for 2028, the DNC will insist that we run a compromise ticket. For one, AOC is a little to young, so she should be the VP pick. To balance the ticket, they’ll want someone who is older and more conservative to run for the main slot. And why not someone who has actually run before, and has some experience on the presidential campaign trail?
That’s why in 2028, the centrists at the DNC will give us Duke-Occasio Cortez ticket! For the VP, we’ll have AOC, and for the front runner, we’ll have 1988 Democratic presidential primary candidate David Duke.
I’m sure Chuck Schumer will endorse Duke saying, “sure we may lose some progressives. But for every progressive voter we lose in Philadelphia, we’ll gain two overt white supremacist voters in the Philadelphia suburbs!”
If they ran Waltz with AOC as VP, it would be a slam dunk.
Hell, if Harris and Waltz had been flipped, it would have been a blowout.
I don’t know literally anything about Waltz but is he that progressive? This is the “Israel has a right to expand its borders” guy so that’s unexpected.
Doesn’t really matter. The country wasn’t at the point where it would have voted for a woman. The US is still extremely misogynistic, as seen by a guy who takes notes from Saudi Arabia winning the popular vote.
Waltz has a personality that a great many people respond to well, and he’s an old white dude. That seems to be the winning ticket these days.
Walz losing the VP debate to Vance was the start of the Trump ticket comeback.
It would be funnier if he hadn’t flipped parties after that and ran again as a Republican in 1992.
This is fucking hilarious. I hope more people appreciate your wit.
What wit, all I see is a time-traveller come to warn us
or just hear me out here, Jimmy Carter is still alive. when trump runs in 2028, that ammendment goes out the window, so, we can, you know, run him, too, right?
Carter is still eligible to run, he only had one term.
Perfect….
(For the record, I don’t know if Carter was a good president. I think he got a bad break with the contra affair, and he did good elsewhere. But I will say this: he’s a spectacular expresident)
She was to young this election but next…
Nope, she would have been 35 on January 21st.
@pearsaltchocolatebar @Sundial I wish she becomes an independent just like Bernie Sanders.
I hope she doesn’t. Independents need to fuck off until the country isn’t in the complete control of fascists.
That’s only for presidential election (and even then it’s a debatable position); there’s definitely a space for established independent senators and representatives. See: Bernie.
I’ll never understand why people think Trump is “less establishment”. He’s been a gazillionaire his whole life and backed by literally the richest man on earth. How more establishment can you get?
He’s not part of that political elites circle, he’s part of the rich kids circle. Why anyone thinks that is a substantial improvement is a mystery to me
E: the establishment political elite is allowing business to exploit people and take in billions! We need to stop electing them, let’s instead elect the people directly benefiting from those fucked up policies! I’m sure they will vote against what made them and their friends rich and feel special and better than the plebs!
I might argue the rich kids circle is even worse than the political elites’. At least a politician has to occasionally throw their constituents a bone here or there.
literally the richest man on earth
friendly reminder that Musk is not the richest man on earth.
he’s the richest man on earth dumb enough to talk about it.
I mean, not just dumb enough to talk about it, anyone for whom most of their wealth is in publicly traded companies (which is most rich people) has public record of how much.
You understand that most people with significantly-sized investments start using things like LLCs and trusts to invest instead of just holding it in their name? sometimes you know who owns the LLC, most times you don’t.
And the LLC owns the shares; so that’s whose name goes on the ledger. the vast majority of even the modestly-rich spend a great deal of time, effort and money to ensure their privacy. Musk is one of the rare dumbasses that publicly broadcasts it. (probably because he’s an insecure little bitch.)
Does that work when you also want to be in control of those companies? All the big CEOs I can think of directly own shares in their own companies.
yes, it does.
They may chose to not (for example, Musk,) but yes it does. And the LLCs offer a lot of other advantages. (like, if you split it into multiple LLCs, they technically have different reporting requirements. So. like. hostile take overs.)
The shares held by LLCs are still voting shares. and since you control the LLC, they vote the way you want. One of the big advantages is location- siting the LLC in someplace that has favorable regulations (maryland,) or tax structures (Florida, texas,) lets you live anywhere you want.
They also provide protection against lawsuits (for example, sachler family and purdue pharma.) and that protection goes both ways, (for example, Ruddie Ghouliani’s troubles. they’re used to hide assets. a forensic accountant might find it, but not before they get protected.)
But as for privacy; if you were careful setting it up- and hired a service out of maryland to answer the phones as a ‘representative’- then all any one would know about the LLC is that number and that rep’s office as the adress. (fun fact, there’s like two addresses used for like… most… llcs because that service is useful.)
While you are technically correct (the best kind of correct), that does not subtract from the point.
Yup, Putin is probably richer and then you’ve got oil royalty as well whose wealth is unknown… Tesla is worth a lot, but how much is the Saudi’s oil industry worth you think?
Putin and the Saudis
So what you’re saying is, RandomStickman’s “[Trump is] backed by literally the richest man on Earth” claim is true after all.
Well, I don’t think that’s what OP had in mind since Musk’s financial involvement is a certainty and Putin’s is speculative (lulz)
God damn, people make me hate people.
The responses included:
“I feel like Trump and you are both real.”
“I feel that you both are outsiders compared to the rest of DC, and less ‘establishment.’”
“It’s real simple… Trump and you care for the working class.”
“Trump is going to get us the money and let’s men have a voice. You’re brilliant and have amazing passion!”
Trump doesn’t fit in with republicans because he’s objectively insane and will disregard any and all rules and conventions to get what he wants.
AOC doesn’t fit in with Democrats because she’s not from a rich family, seems to have actually had a minimum wage job and seems to want to actually improve the middle and lower classes lives instead of submit to corporations and collectively disregard what the voter base actually wants.
It is so depressing people see both of these as equivalently important.
Sadly, the average American really is just stupid
I feel like a specific half of the population is really dragging that average down.
Credit to AOC for doing so.
People want someone who will reform politics, get rid of the two party system and get billionaires and corporations to pay their unfair share for decades of exploitation of workers.
They will even give up their individual rights and vote for Trump to try and get it.
Now is the time for AOC, Bernie, Walz and Whitmer to form the SPA (Socialist Party for America)
Unfortunately it seems that some people don’t want to get rid of the 2 party system. Here in Colorado we voted no 55 to 45 to switch to ranked choice voting. I’m very disappointed by those results.
Issue is a 3 party system is only going to give us a far right wing party, a right wing party and a centrist party that has to vote for right wing party or the far right wing party will win. A 3rd party won’t help. Election reform has to happen first. The only thing we can hope for is a progressive movement inside the democratic party. That sweeps then getting election reform. Then we can get ranked choice or whatever system .
The democratic party has been effectively blocking the progressive movement since the bill Clinton days.
People have shown they are ready to vote against the establishment. Just look at how many Democrats and Independants voted for Trump.
This 3rd party needs to go strong left and not get baited into a compromise party.
So I wanna point out that while mathematically with FPTP a two party system is inevitable, which two parties aren’t decided. They can and do get replaced.
She’s already a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
The SPA was renamed “Social Democrats, USA” in the 70’s.
Time to revert to its roots.
I feel like her direct communication vow is not the right deal. They need to hook into social media just like Republicans did. Door-to-door might help but not as much as they think.
For young people, definitely and should be part of their strategy and that includes going on progressive podcasts to answer tough questions.
The Internet in general, but especially social media, is a cesspool of AI slop, bots, algorithm manipulation, and less exotic/high-tech forms of disinformation. How about instead of telling our politicians to meet us there we get the fuck off of it and meet each other in the streets. They can join our party if they want but we’re starting it.
If democracy isn’t gone by then, she needs to run in 2028.
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