• ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 hours ago

    Without rank choice voting any progressive party would act as a spoiler for the Democratic Party. Debilitating ourselves in this way isn’t particularly useful for leveraging power to create better outcomes for the environment and minorities.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      9 minutes ago

      Then the Democratic Party had best make sure that progressives have no reason to split off and form their own party, huh?

      Why does it always fall to progressives to get behind Democrats and never the other way around?

      Debilitating ourselves in this way isn’t particularly useful for leveraging power to create better outcomes for the environment and minorities.

      Oh thank god Democrats don’t throw vulnerable populations under the bus every chance they get.

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      2 hours ago

      A few weeks ago, I’d have agreed with you, but now? The Democratic party that just lost 10 million votes… We’ll spoil that party? The one that just lost a fair election to a convicted felon? You want to protect them from being spoiled?

      We have 4 years, which is, again, the most time we’ll ever get to try something like this because that’s how 4 year election cycles work. What is it exactly that they’re doing successfully you don’t want to spoil?

      • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        1 hour ago

        We’ll spoil that party?

        Yes, running third party candidates in a FPTP voting system is how the spoiler effect works.

        You want to protect them from being spoiled?

        Because of the FPTP voting system our democracy will always trend towards a two-party system. Until we enact systemic change, we will be stuck with the Democrats and the Republicans. As long as the Democrats are further to the left of fascism we should vote for them and avoid limiting our power with third party candidates.

        We the people and our interests are what avoiding the spoiler effect protects.

        What is it exactly that they’re doing successfully you don’t want to spoil?

        The Democrats are neoliberals. They are easier to push on social issues and the environment. The Democratic Party is the party progressives and socialists are going to want to co-opt with a populist candidate. Like Bernie tried to do and Trump did to the Republicans. But more to the point, they do not want to kill minorities and destroy the environment.

        Rather than seeking a moral victory over Democrats we should look for ways to leverage power for the people Republicans want to hurt. Doing otherwise makes the harm done to minorities the cost of doing business.

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          7 minutes ago

          It’s adorable that you expect anyone to buy that the Democratic Party is movable after they just spent a whole ass year refusing to budge on fucking genocide.

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          28 minutes ago

          I mean yes, that’s been the playbook for 8 years. More like 16 if you count what people actually thought Obama was going to be (and had record turn out). Try, try again?

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            10 minutes ago

            The lives of millions of minorities and the Earth’s climate are at stake now. Minorities will notice the difference in the short term, but we will all notice the difference in the long term. Assuming we still have elections and a Democratic Party going forward, yes. We delay fascism and co-opt the Democratic Party. edit: typos

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      1 hour ago

      The Tea Party did not spoil a GOP election. The GOP caved and adopted their platform.

      The Democratic Party will do the same thing with the Guillotine Party.