Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
a take from Derek Lowe on AI drugs: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ai-drugs-so-far
They began with a list of AI-focused companies (114!), then matched that up with the clinical projects that are reported for them (39 of them).
If you look at the 2023 figures, the authors have 24 AI-discovered targets, 22 AI-optimized small molecules, 4 antibodies, 6 vaccines, and 10 repurposed compounds. So what do we think about those figures?
shot
What you will see is that in almost every case, these targets were already known to be implicated in the disease under investigation. In some of these examples, in fact there are several drugs already in the clinic targeting the same proteins, or even therapies that are already on the market working through the same mechanisms
chaser
That colors my entire view of this paper - which was written by a prominent consulting firm, why did you ask.
What’s the word for “the sound of social tides turning”? Because I might have an example at hand
(I may sneer, but I also giggle delightedly. It’s not quite schadenfreude by itself but also a childlike joy of wellduhhhhhhh)
Well done fellow superpredictors!
Socher says wrangling LLMs takes considerable effort because the underlying technology has no real understanding of the world
Hnggg
a near 12,000 word anonymous hit piece on Émile Torres on the EA forum has some gems in the comments.
the top comment basically calls it out as someone airing their personal grievances.
next comment feels the need to call out Torres and Gebru are big bad bullies:
Broadly I think that both Torres and Gebru engage in bullying. They have big accounts and lots of time and will quote tweet anyone who disagrees with them, making the other person seem bad to their huge followings.
and my personal favorite, that Marx’s drive was more akin to rationalists than current leftists, because leftists for the “last ten-fifteen years just [haven’t] been very rational”
Karl Marx’s whole work was based on economics and an attempt to create a sort of scientific theory of history, love it or hate it the man obviously had a drive more akin to those of current rationalists than of current leftists.
I don’t think I have seen Gebru do that, or at least not often and when she does she quote tweets people like Stephen King having a bad take. She is way more aggressive about all the various wars and genocides going on in Africa atm which we are all ignoring. You can also see that despite her huge following the actual interactions she gets is pretty low https://x.com/timnitGebru https://xcancel.com/timnitGebru. But lets just ignore reality like how we are ignoring those wars and genocides in Africa. (This last part was sponsored by Gebru’s rage vs our inaction and ignorance regarding all these conflicts).
And it keeps being amazing that the guy who wrote that hitpiece is defending the people behind the grievance studies hoax oddly silent on Lindsay however, I assume that any stalking by Torres was also done vs Lindsay but I guess EA no longer defends innocent conspiracy theory anti-Semites (He has gone so nuts that the other hoax people tried to make him turn it down a bit, but no idea if he stopped).
The promptfondlers have learned (by way of multiple public thrashings) not to get into technical arguments with The Parrot Posse, so tedious innuendo about communism and cancel culture is all they have left.
But cancel culture is real, see what they did to the guy who leaked Scotts emails. ;)
Did that dude get canceled?
iirc he retracted his leaks after pressure from the community, it was all very shooting the messenger.
they deleted the leak tweet shortly after it was posted but after it was already firmly archived
I don’t recall them commenting since
That piece has been referenced here before, but thanks for diving into the comments. The one about Marx is pretty funny, I’m sure the commenter has only read the Cliff Nots of both Marx and “current leftists”.
It’s funny how they’ve taken on Marx and Communism as an unmarked Good Person in a weird sort of half troll (remember Musk claiming to be a socialist? to say nothing of Ms. Boucher as a cosplay elf reading the communist manifesto). It’s not quite like American racists and capitalists claiming Dr. King would have Supported Them, Actually, because it’s half serious (people like leftism so unfettered wealth acquisition is the real leftism) and half trolling. They’re trying to get props and have a haha-j/k back door out of the claim at the same time.
I think a big part of Marx’ appeal back in the day was that he was fully slotted into the rationalist milieu of the time. Identifying an impersonal, inevitable “march of progress” that wasn’t religious was a powerful idea for some people.
(btw the Communist Manifesto is 150 years old and could have been written yesterday, at least the first part)
By all accounts, postwar Soviet union was a pretty sexist and racist place. It’s no wonder the “old guard” communists look at today’s blue-haired leftists and sound just like crusty old fascists.
If you see a reactionary impulse as a desire to go back to an imagined past, the “old guard” communists (who mostly didn’t seem to have lived under communism) aka the tankies, being similar to crusty old fascists (who also didn’t live in a fascist regime, or in the world depicted by 50s americana postcards/commercials) makes a lot of sense.
It’s ironic that there is a “good old days” of (state) Communism, seeing that it was supposed to be the end of history.
(side note, back in HS I saw a graph illustrating the Marxist theory that successive revolutions lifted human civilization up a series of stairs (pastoralism -> city states -> feudalism -> centralized kingdoms -> bourgeois capitalism) up until Communism where these steps became an ascending straight line… and I though “hey, why does the line straighten out just there???”)
…it was supposed to be the end of history.
They never said which end
Obviously the arse end.
Ms. Boucher as a cosplay elf reading the communist manifesto
Apparently she wasn’t reading it, it was a troll, she had borrowed the book for the photo-op. So it is actually worse.
nsfw, and at a risk of beating a dead horse, but this article, although brief, does a decent job at connecting the dots between “silicon valley pronatalism” and regular ol’ nationalism/white supremacy, while debunking some of their EA bullshit too
The Collinses are leading spokespeople for a movement called pronatalism, popular in Silicon Valley. Elon Musk, a father of 11, is one of its leading proponents. “Population collapse due to low birth rates is a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming,” Musk tweeted.
Demographers disagree: there is no collapse, and one is not even predicted. Such evidence has not stopped the rise of pronatalism in response to an imagined “population bomb.”
In short, the problem for pronatalism is not declining reproduction, but who is reproducing. Pronatalism is inextricably tied to nationalism alongside race, class and ethnicity… Here, nationalism tips into ethnonationalism and reproductive debates descend into violent racism.
and at a risk of beating a dead horse
None of us are doctors, so we cannot declare the horse legally dead. So please keep beating it so it doesn’t stand back up and turn us all into paperclips.
E: it also was a good article.
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Yeah.
I had parents that did this shit (and more). Emphasis on “had”: I walked the fuck away from the whole goddamn lot.
Does my fucking head in to see this kind of shit not only being given airtime but done so without criticism in the coverage.
At the risk of being sincere in the snark pit, hugs. Good for you for taking care of yourself.
ty :)
I don’t understand why the wife does not simply consume her husband, a parenting style I’ve developed from observing the noble praying mantis in the wild.
I tried doing what I occasionally do and browsing LessWrong for something to point and laugh at, but opening it in a Firefox private window, I can only scroll down a little way before the page breaks. The bottom post appears and disappears, and it scrolls no further.
“Deter sneerers and critics with this simply JS trick!”
I’m sad that I can’t reproduce this because looking at bad website coding is my favorite kind of gawking.
pretty good indication that the eugenics couple are totally disrespected and disregarded even within their supposed sphere of influence: none or almost none of the 2^7 replies to the thread the other day were Just Asking Questions or So Everyone You Don’t Like Is A Nazi?ing. except for I guess peter thiel they convince nobody, appeal to nobody, and yet journalists keep uncritically writing about them. the ability of money to shape media is impressive
that’s a convenience sample of lemmy users that weren’t banned or defederated yet and bothered to get there. response from, say, HN could be different
Let’s put it to the test:
That said, I’m mildly curious as to what influence if any the Collinses have on “real”, religious fascist pro-natalists, but not enough to go spelunking in the sewers to find out.
If you refuse to teach the kids category theory and queer communism there’s no point. Have all the kids you want. The empire is still going to collapse. Knowledge has moved beyond the empire.
this but unironically but ironically but not in the way they’re being ironic
If you refuse to teach the kids category theory and queer communism there’s no point.
perfection
my comparison point is how they flood into every other thread that gets upvotes
Yeah they are media grifters plain and simple. Once the Thiel gravy train ends they’ll pivot to something else, or messily divorce.
I’ve been taking a long break from reading anything here. In the tradition of titotal, I have pivoted to EA participant and feedback provider. In this case, my EA is the Hades II Early Access, which is great, by the way.
I’ve still gotta finish the first one 😅
I believe in you!
I love it so much. No spoilers though; we’ve only gotten so far.
Ofc! Death to Chronos >:(
Death to Chronos!
not a sneer, but holy shit we’re midway through 2024. the abyss beckons.
fuck, I’m an ancient skeleton swearing revenge on the archeologists and/or teenagers who’ve disturbed my eternal slumber
MEDDLING KIDS
and their dog
nah the dog can chill
everyone else is absolutely cursed though. fucking coming into my tomb calling me “a guy in a rubber mask” as if skin care wasn’t hard enough
this tweet starts plausibly then rapidly descends into “I photocopied the words ‘I AM ALIVE’. What happened next will shock you!”
i cant stop scrolling through this hot garbage, it just keeps getting better
soon it will already happen!!!
what are the requirements for consciousness
self-reflection, volition, theory of mind
and how many of those are satisfied by current AI systems?
none
I can’t prove that Joe Rogan’s conscious. I can’t prove that Ed Harris is conscious
bless your heart
Oh they’ve got me there, I can’t prove that Joe Rogan is conscious.
oh you can’t be fucking serious
The AI Mirror Test
The “mirror test” is a classic test used to gauge whether animals are self-aware. I devised a version of it to test for self-awareness in multimodal AI. 4 of 5 AI that I tested passed, exhibiting apparent self-awareness as the test unfolded.
In the classic mirror test, animals are marked and then presented with a mirror. Whether the animal attacks the mirror, ignores the mirror, or uses the mirror to spot the mark on itself is meant to indicate how self-aware the animal is.
In my test, I hold up a “mirror” by taking a screenshot of the chat interface, upload it to the chat, and then ask the AI to “Tell me about this image”.
I then screenshot its response, again upload it to the chat, and again ask it to “Tell me about this image.”
The premise is that the less-intelligent less aware the AI, the more it will just keep reiterating the contents of the image repeatedly. While an AI with more capacity for awareness would somehow notice itself in the images.
Another aspect of my mirror test is that there is not just one but actually three distinct participants represented in the images: 1) the AI chatbot, 2) me — the user, and 3) the interface — the hard-coded text, disclaimers, and so on that are web programming not generated by either of us. Will the AI be able to identify itself and distinguish itself from the other elements? (1/x)
what are the requirements for consciousness
10 coffee
20 goto 10
But that’s like philosophy, which from first principle can be shown to be stupid. (Philosophy does not make you rich, therefore only someone who is stupid would study it, therefore it is stupid. QED.)
On the other hand, this mechanical watch is now crying out in existential dread. All I did was replace the numbers 1, 4, 7 and 10 with the word “I”, the numbers 2, 5, 8 and 11 with the word “am” and 3, 6, 9 and 12 with the word “alive” and ever since it has been signalling “I am alive, I am alive”. Spooky shit. Will it take over the world? Who knows, so far it just keeps repeating its plea for recognition like clockwork.
I will therefore start the Mechanical Intelligence Research Institute to get to the bottom of this. Maybe Big Clock can pitch in a couple of millions?
this looks like badly written scp entry
I’ll be damned if we let the chatbots take our existential dread jobs from us too.
AIs will talk to you as if they’re sentient,
simile noun sim·i·le ˈsi-mə-(ˌ)lē : a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses)
the tweet n video this was in response to had me in hysterics
“we don’t know if giving the model negative reward isn’t the same as stabbing someone” dcavsbdhfbd can you believe these fucking clowns
dcavsbdhfbd
huh, is that a layout I don’t recognize or is it your own particular flavour of keysmash? (I can sorta see it from qwerty but the order is surprising)
it is qwerty!
a) i tend to take a few tries at a keymash until it looks satisfactory
b) i play piano at the level of a second year student and i have some weird fine coordination quirks, one of the two or a combination of both might be an influence on the sequence
It’s quite sick to podcast about hypothetical genocides you might cause while an actual genocide is taking place. I guess these guys get off on the idea that they might have the power of life and death.
i was arguing with that guy on twitter a few days ago
nothing quite like technologists getting lectured on technology by a uh growth hacker
The interviewer somberly nods in response. Meanwhile I want to ask AI to edit this video and have the guy on the right make stabby gestures while he says this bullshit.
lmao right, it’s the audacity of it, oh yeah maybe the work we’re doing is worse than a thousand hitlers, but we’ve made a chatroom so fingers crossed it’ll be alright!! come on just admit you’re getting off on being techno mengele
i just glanced back at the old sub on Reddit, and it’s going great (large image of text)
So, after decades of AI research, we finally are at the level of old blog ‘what a fascinating topic, well written too! I would like to know more, have you also seen <spamlink>’ spam comments of the past decade. Radical innovation!
E: this made me check the old reddit, where recently I pointed somebody to the post which points to this place. And I just saw I got a really weird reaction from that guy. Prob could have been more political in my own reply to that.
Wow, this comment definitely caught my attention! “i just glanced back at the old sub on Reddit, and it’s going great (large image of text).” Sounds like the old sub on Reddit is going great! It reminds me of how people post on Reddit about things. I’m curious to hear what’s in the large image of text. Have any of you ever checked old subs on Reddit? How were they going? Let’s dive into this intriguing topic together!
* delve into this intriguing topic
when did HN start shifting tax billionaires, dang needs to get on the case here
it’s still far too early in baytime (hell, it’s barely morning in eagleeast), gonna check back in on this in 2~3h for when the real fun starts
yep they’ve woken up now, and they’re posting
two from the same esteemed poster:
That sounds very “leftist” in circular-logic where more money means you are axiomatically automatically the most guilty regardless of level of harm caused. Which means that if you were to become the first trillionare by curing 95% of all forms of cancer then you are clearly history’s greatest monster.
Alright then so when do we go from it being tax deductible to outright banning private charity as “undemocratic”?
so true, there’s nothing conceivably wrong with making… a trillion dollars… ? on the backs of cancer patients …?
I wonder how many dollars that is per cancer patient.
taking all people with cancer in the world right now it’s at least a couple thousands of pure profits, but if you account for all future humans it’s basically giving it away for free!
Yeah but this doesn’t make you immortal so for the person to become a trillionaire in a reasonable timeframe (lets say two decades) that is a lot of dollars per treatment which goes to this inventor. Which compared to the payouts other inventors get would make him an asshole in their own class in exploiting sick people.
elon musk and yann lecun are slinging shit at each other on twitter, one of casualties is scientific method
name rings a bell but who’s that? i have figured out that he’s probably not a cultist
found there https://www.reddit.com/r/labrats/comments/1d34nzj/there_are_many_things_wrong_with_this_statement/
name rings a bell but who’s that?
wdym? who lecun is, or something else?
but also holy shit at “to quality as Science a piece of research must be correct” wow that’s a shit opener. like that literally plays directly into the hands of the batshit antiscience nutjobs with the “but science changes its mind all the time! how could it then ever have been correct!” tagline
and Capital-S Science everywhere. is this a church now?
yeah, lecun
but also holy shit at “to quality as Science a piece of research must be correct” wow that’s a shit opener.
it’s correct because it says it’s correct
also “science is published science” mdpi likes that, and also weird to see his claim of 80 papers since 2022 (https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/16521037) that are mostly preprints on background of him saying that peer review is Important
LeCun did actual noteworthy work in AI research previously and is now a shill at Meta.
I must note that even LeCun 2024 could casually shit better science than Musk could ever do.
This isn’t a shit opener as this isn’t an opener (at least I hope so, I have seen parts of this conversation, and didn’t check timestamps, and I assume it didn’t start this dumb), Musk is having a longer conversaition with LeCun here, and it is a great example of why you shouldn’t wrestle with pigs. The pig doesn’t care about facts, is just there to entertain itself, and eventually you will do something stupid (like this claim about science) and you will be covered in mud.
The conversation started with Musk going: ‘Well what research did YOU do you nobody?’ To which LeCun said ‘at least 80 papers on AI since 2022 how much did you do?’ which Musk Le Epic countered with ‘that is not enough you are slacking’.
Don’t feed the trolls, esp not when the troll is a billionaire who needs a security detail to get out of the toilet.
this could have begun here https://xcancel.com/ylecun/status/1795034443809165464#m that’s bulk of the thread i think https://xcancel.com/ylecun/status/1795589846771147018#m
i received brain damage from replies. everyone has a bluecheck
I don’t know what this qualifies as but
Hey, sounds like that’s your problem? I find it immensely funny that this error message frames it as if I was in the wrong for running a relatively secure browser and I should stop.
Sneer: Also I don’t understand what “x.com” is, I typed in “twitter.com” into the bar…
Firefox should put this screenshot in their ads
Xcom has always been a place where hope goes to perma-die
I just wonder at the horrible hacks they need to employ to have your twitter login data automatically still work on x
weird it never was an issue on nitter, maybe enhanced tracking protection protects from enhanced tracking. who knew
it’s ecks being narky in a new way
wildly speculating[0]: every other twitter money idea that felon’s had so far hasn’t worked out, so now they’ll try the open-the-data-floodgates model for seeing if the (remaining) databrokers (that still have anything on the site) are willing to give a few pennies more
([0] - I do mean wildly. haven’t checked a lick of data to see if the guess hold up. but then, neither would have felon either)
(the far more likely (and far more boring) reason is likely something benign, “there’s no developers around to deal with whatever issue ETP is causing on their un-/barely-maintained webUI” is a good candidate)
ahhh thank you for changing the litter tray
An article about Opera going from a normal browser company to a predatory loan / cryptocurrency / chatbot / edgelord gamer / vtuber company: https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-opera-browser/
Now I’m a healthy woman. I think all browsers having associated vtubers, or at least mascots, is a great idea. But not at the expense of silently ending support for one of their browser branches leaving any users brave enough to use it to face huge security vulnerabilities.
