bud, that was 16 years ago and the situation has only worsened. maybe its time to stop trotting it out as some grand thing the democrats did and focus on what they’re doing today? which is essentially nothing.
You mean like the recovery of the country from COVID with the American Rescue Plan Act, or Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPs act, Student loan forgiveness? How about repeal of the homophobic “Defense of Marriage Act”? Maybe the Honoring our PACT Act which finally recognized the conditions we put our troops in and covering their health needs resulting from that exposure? Those kind of things?
Wow! and americans day to day finances havent improved at all! Imagine doing all that and still having people struggling… I wonder…
Lets go down the list shall we?
CHIPs act: surprise a bipartisan corporate give away.
American Rescue Plan Act: corporate give away mixed with one time stimulus for americans.
Inflation Reduction Act: I actually liked this bill mostly too bad it does nothing for the majority of americans w/ respect to inflation and cost of living.
Student loan forgiveness: oh you mean the thing biden has slow walked, only managing to clear 9% in 4 years, and is the direct architect of causing? oh you mean the man who also resumed payments for them despite record inflation?
Defense of Marriage Act: yup wonderful, good job dems! the only thing that doesn’t negatively impact your corporate donors you got done!
Honoring our PACT Act: Oh you mean health care in america is fucking horrible? color me surprised, yet another excuse to not actually fix our health care system.
seriously man. think about these things before you post them. I’m not opposed to many of these bills but NONE of them improve the general well being of the american worker or their families.
Do people still need to worry about their health coverage if they lose their jobs? Yes? oh.
Do people still need to work multiple jobs to make ends meet in many areas? Yes? oh.
Do people still have no protections for medical, family, vacation? Yes? oh.
Do people still have to go into massive debt for an education? Yes? oh.
Do sexual orientations still have no protections within the workplace? yes? oh.
Until the democrats begin addressing these issues for working americans they won’t have the support of myself or individuals like me. Don’t even get me fucking started on the widespread genocidal support, moral bankruptcy, and graft within the party.
I’m not opposed to many of these bills but NONE of them improve the general well being of the american worker or their families.
You have a very specific definition of any legislative success. You have a very defined view (regardless if I agree with it or not).
Can you tell me when the last time any level of legislation was passed by any party that would meet your version of success? The only thing I can think of that would meet your very high bar is FDR with the New Deal and other efforts FDR did with the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority). Do you have something more recent that 1939?
You have a very specific definition of any legislative success.
Not particularly, as I said I believe some of those bills were decent successes, but they wont win votes from working americans. When it comes to winning votes and enacting change you need to accomplish demonstrable improvements to our lives. And yes that list will continuously change as more and more things are improved. That’s a good thing.
Do you have something more recent that 1939?
smile do you? do you see the problem with the fact you need to go back that far to find anything that helps American’s that you think I’ll accept. The list I mentioned above isn’t some unattainable goal. many countries already have accomplished these things for their people.
smile do you? do you see the problem with the fact you need to go back that far to find anything that helps American’s that you think I’ll accept.
I don’t need to. I see lots of things, including the ACA, that helped working Americans. However, you say that doesn’t by your measure. So I’m asking you to give an example of your measure to better understand your point of view. Thats how we learn about each other’s views when they aren’t apparent.
The list I mentioned above isn’t some unattainable goal.
So it sounds like you’re saying nothing has been passed in the USA in the last 85 years since FDR’s New Deal that qualifies for your measure of “helping working Americans”.
many countries already have accomplished these things for their people.
Okay, thank you. That informs me of your position. I appreciate the time you’ve taken to share your views.
I didnt say you needed to. I was asking if you could think of any. that was the point.
we clearly disagree on ACA. it, like many bills such as PACT, have limited impact on the american worker. its only real win was ending absolutely inhuman practices from the insurance industry, but even those practices only impacted a small minority. the insurance markets it set up are an absolute mess of overpriced trash and the resulting system it created where insurance companies benefit by paying hospitals/pharma more for care.
These type of bills shouldn’t be hard to recognize which is why you having issues pointing to any is so damning. I would have put student loan forgiveness in the category if it actually got done, or a min wage increase, or anything from the list i mentioned. but you wont find anything remotely comparable for almost 80 years.
I didnt say you needed to. I was asking if you could think of any. that was the point.
You’re asking me about what passed legislation I believe meets your vague generalizations of approval? What kind of game is that? You still haven’t answered the question and we’re on the third time I would be asking it with me still only guessing the New Deal meets your measure.
I don’t actually care about trying to tease your answer out of you anymore. The best I can tell is that you haven’t liked anything in the last 85 years. Its too much effort to try to figure out more from you on that. Its enough to tell me everything I needed to know about your position. You’re welcome to your opinion and position. I’m not interested in learning any more about about it though. You’re welcome to continue to reply to this, but I’m I won’t be engaging anymore. Have a great day!
You’re asking me about what passed legislation I believe meets your vague generalizations of approval? What kind of game is that?
Its a way for you to demonstrate your position and for me to critique it. exactly the way I did your original list. If you can’t point to anything that only demonstrates the point I was making and why the democrats have continued to lose elections to fucking fascists.
Remember its not my job to defend the your position. My point in its entirety is that you can’t point to any bill within my life time that actually substantially improved the quality of life for workers at large. ACA didn’t do that, We havent had labor or work reforms in my entire life.
And its not a lack of power, I’d be willing to accept state level labor reforms too!
The best I can tell is that you haven’t liked anything in the last 85 years.
A safe assumption w/ respect to american workers quality of life! Do you consider this a problem? I certainly do. And there are plenty of bills I’m supportive of over my life as ‘better than we had’ or ‘good economically as a whole’ but none that improve american workers quality of life or economic well being. Hell we just saw the biden administration break a union strike.
This is why the democrats keep losing, add in a little genocidal support, imprisoning Palestinian protesting students, and shocked pikachu who would have guessed the result.
bud, that was 16 years ago and the situation has only worsened. maybe its time to stop trotting it out as some grand thing the democrats did and focus on what they’re doing today? which is essentially nothing.
You mean like the recovery of the country from COVID with the American Rescue Plan Act, or Inflation Reduction Act, the CHIPs act, Student loan forgiveness? How about repeal of the homophobic “Defense of Marriage Act”? Maybe the Honoring our PACT Act which finally recognized the conditions we put our troops in and covering their health needs resulting from that exposure? Those kind of things?
Wow! and americans day to day finances havent improved at all! Imagine doing all that and still having people struggling… I wonder…
Lets go down the list shall we?
CHIPs act: surprise a bipartisan corporate give away.
American Rescue Plan Act: corporate give away mixed with one time stimulus for americans.
Inflation Reduction Act: I actually liked this bill mostly too bad it does nothing for the majority of americans w/ respect to inflation and cost of living.
Student loan forgiveness: oh you mean the thing biden has slow walked, only managing to clear 9% in 4 years, and is the direct architect of causing? oh you mean the man who also resumed payments for them despite record inflation?
Defense of Marriage Act: yup wonderful, good job dems! the only thing that doesn’t negatively impact your corporate donors you got done!
Honoring our PACT Act: Oh you mean health care in america is fucking horrible? color me surprised, yet another excuse to not actually fix our health care system.
seriously man. think about these things before you post them. I’m not opposed to many of these bills but NONE of them improve the general well being of the american worker or their families.
Do people still need to worry about their health coverage if they lose their jobs? Yes? oh.
Do people still need to work multiple jobs to make ends meet in many areas? Yes? oh.
Do people still have no protections for medical, family, vacation? Yes? oh.
Do people still have to go into massive debt for an education? Yes? oh.
Do sexual orientations still have no protections within the workplace? yes? oh.
Until the democrats begin addressing these issues for working americans they won’t have the support of myself or individuals like me. Don’t even get me fucking started on the widespread genocidal support, moral bankruptcy, and graft within the party.
You have a very specific definition of any legislative success. You have a very defined view (regardless if I agree with it or not).
Can you tell me when the last time any level of legislation was passed by any party that would meet your version of success? The only thing I can think of that would meet your very high bar is FDR with the New Deal and other efforts FDR did with the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority). Do you have something more recent that 1939?
Not particularly, as I said I believe some of those bills were decent successes, but they wont win votes from working americans. When it comes to winning votes and enacting change you need to accomplish demonstrable improvements to our lives. And yes that list will continuously change as more and more things are improved. That’s a good thing.
smile do you? do you see the problem with the fact you need to go back that far to find anything that helps American’s that you think I’ll accept. The list I mentioned above isn’t some unattainable goal. many countries already have accomplished these things for their people.
I don’t need to. I see lots of things, including the ACA, that helped working Americans. However, you say that doesn’t by your measure. So I’m asking you to give an example of your measure to better understand your point of view. Thats how we learn about each other’s views when they aren’t apparent.
So it sounds like you’re saying nothing has been passed in the USA in the last 85 years since FDR’s New Deal that qualifies for your measure of “helping working Americans”.
Okay, thank you. That informs me of your position. I appreciate the time you’ve taken to share your views.
I didnt say you needed to. I was asking if you could think of any. that was the point.
we clearly disagree on ACA. it, like many bills such as PACT, have limited impact on the american worker. its only real win was ending absolutely inhuman practices from the insurance industry, but even those practices only impacted a small minority. the insurance markets it set up are an absolute mess of overpriced trash and the resulting system it created where insurance companies benefit by paying hospitals/pharma more for care.
These type of bills shouldn’t be hard to recognize which is why you having issues pointing to any is so damning. I would have put student loan forgiveness in the category if it actually got done, or a min wage increase, or anything from the list i mentioned. but you wont find anything remotely comparable for almost 80 years.
You’re asking me about what passed legislation I believe meets your vague generalizations of approval? What kind of game is that? You still haven’t answered the question and we’re on the third time I would be asking it with me still only guessing the New Deal meets your measure.
I don’t actually care about trying to tease your answer out of you anymore. The best I can tell is that you haven’t liked anything in the last 85 years. Its too much effort to try to figure out more from you on that. Its enough to tell me everything I needed to know about your position. You’re welcome to your opinion and position. I’m not interested in learning any more about about it though. You’re welcome to continue to reply to this, but I’m I won’t be engaging anymore. Have a great day!
Its a way for you to demonstrate your position and for me to critique it. exactly the way I did your original list. If you can’t point to anything that only demonstrates the point I was making and why the democrats have continued to lose elections to fucking fascists.
Remember its not my job to defend the your position. My point in its entirety is that you can’t point to any bill within my life time that actually substantially improved the quality of life for workers at large. ACA didn’t do that, We havent had labor or work reforms in my entire life.
And its not a lack of power, I’d be willing to accept state level labor reforms too!
A safe assumption w/ respect to american workers quality of life! Do you consider this a problem? I certainly do. And there are plenty of bills I’m supportive of over my life as ‘better than we had’ or ‘good economically as a whole’ but none that improve american workers quality of life or economic well being. Hell we just saw the biden administration break a union strike.
This is why the democrats keep losing, add in a little genocidal support, imprisoning Palestinian protesting students, and shocked pikachu who would have guessed the result.