• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Harris lost because people would rather believe Trump’s comfortable lies than the uncomfortable truth. No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump. It’s absolutely astounding that you’re not getting this.

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      21 days ago

      The uncomfortable truth is that capitalism doesn’t provide for all. Yet biden and Harris want to gaslight the populace that everything is doing great.

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      21 days ago

      But I do get that. However, I’m not sure what you think we can do about it. We do have people in society that have the job of influencing voters to vote differently. We call them politicians, and they influence votes through something called an effective campaign. I know that’s a weird concept for a lot of Democrats to grasp, but you should look into it.

      I’m totally on board in saying that the voting public fucked up. However, I’m looking for solutions, not just someone to blame. I do not and will not believe that the American public was just unreachable - especially when the Harris campaign had so many gaping flaws. Some of us were watching in horror as Harris sunk her campaign and trying desperately to wake someone up. It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.

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        21 days ago

        Trump won in spite of being a convicted felon, fraud, and adjudicated rapist who nearly destroyed the country with his mishandling of the pandemic during his last presidency. The problem wasn’t Harris’s campaign.

        It’s nice to think that voters will bypass a shitty campaign to find the relevant information themselves, but it’s hardly realistic.

        That is literally the basis of democracy.

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          21 days ago

          There is no “the problem”. Societies and elections are too complicated for that kind of reductionist reasoning.

          Take value judgements out of it, and the fundamental truth is that the Trump campaign attracted and energized more voters than the Harris campaign. What knobs and switches could we have played with to get a different outcome? That is all I care about, and I don’t know how we are supposed to get better voters in less than four years with Republicans in power.

          That is literally the basis of democracy.

          Which is why democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible, but that’s a much deeper conversation.

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      21 days ago

      No decent, thinking person should ever vote for Trump.

      And about a million fewer people than last time did vote for him. Unfortunately Harris and her campaign failed in their messaging so hard that 14 million people who voted for Biden stayed home.

      This should have been an easy win, but Harris chose to be pro-genocide and pro-corporate so people had to hold their nose and vote for her. Americans are sick and tired of choosing the slightly less shitty of two very shitty choices so 15 million previous voters stayed home.

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        19 days ago

        Between 70+ million who voted for Trump and 14 million who were apathetic, I think the bigger group is the bigger problem.

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          19 days ago

          No. As stated, the Harris campaign strategy was the problem. Fewer people voted for Trump this year than in 2020. Harris just drove more people away with her conservative strategy and coseying up to Israel

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            19 days ago

            I don’t buy it. Trump will without a doubt make things worse. That is obvious. People who pretend to care about Palestinians should have been doing everything they could to stop him from taking office.