- cross-posted to:
- quitterreddit@jlai.lu
- cross-posted to:
- quitterreddit@jlai.lu
Also, if you have doubts about brigading, Discuit have a brigading post on their meta community: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/pTyw2MZw
Edit: as you can see, the post has been deleted
It could be that a first glance at lemmy is total shit. The “front page” is a hot mess, half in German with piles of pervy anime and Linux posts. It might be hard to believe, but not everyone likes that stuff. It takes heavy curating to get a moderately personally interesting feed and very few people are going to do that.
But that’s just it, “Lemmy’s” front page isn’t like that. There’s no “Lemmy” front page. There’s a thousand different ones.
Reddit is a website. Lemmy is a potentially unlimited, constantly changing, number of websites. They’re not directly comparable.
I just opened the following instances without being logged on
The same posts are there. You would only get a very different All feed on something like https://beehaw.org, but they are quite unique in that regard.
So, what we mean by “Lemmy”, then, is the circle of 5 - 10 largest, unfocused “general interest” Lemmy-based sites?
Because front page of startrek.website and ttrpg.network look quite a bit different. The All page of ttrpg.network is meaningfully, though not radically, different from the All pages on those sites. And you’ve already mentioned beehaw, which probably should be seen as a better model for how to operate a Lemmy-based website. leminal.space also has a fairly long block list, and its All page is also meaningfully different and less grating than seen on the Big 5.
It looks different depending on which site you’re using. Unless you restrict yourself to the sites that do everything the same as one another.
Looks similar to the other instances except if I missed something
They have indeed hidden the LW communities somehow, interesting. However, they only have 131 monthly active users.
If that’s just the theme, users of that instance using Voyager or any other alternative frontend wouldn’t see any difference. Or am I missing something else?
I would rather say it’s the other way around. On top of the 5 instances I picked, my statement is true for the All feed of most of the instances except the few ones you picked. So on top of the 5, there is at least
https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy provides a list you can filter by monthly active users.
Most of the instances offer the same All feed, and the ones who do not are the exception rather than the rule.
How is defederating the 2 largest instances, and not updating beyond 0.18.4 a better model?
You get an ENORMOUSLY different feed checking out lemmy.ml though.
Also extremely relevant: the top instance hit by a Google search of “Lemmy” is that instance (even though DuckDuckGo pushes Lemmy.World higher).
Therefore, to a non-tech enthusiast, “Lemmy” = that instance. We can argue that it should not be, but it is what it is.
As always, that’s why people should always give one of the instances above when they mention Lemmy, to avoid people having to look up themselves
Exactly this. Lemmy isnt that great if you’re not into few specific topics. My ban/blacklist is HUGE. It took a ton of work to make it so every other post isn’t anime porn/fantasy fulfillment and suggestions to switch to Linux. If I’m being honest I still browse reddit in an app because otherwise I’ve run out of things to see on Lemmy in about 20 minutes each day.
It is interesting how people get different results. My process has been to simply block a user or instance when it’s obvious nothing from there will ever be interesting to me. I haven’t had to do that a lot though, and I don’t see any of what you suggest. Then again, while I see mostly Lemmy content, I use Mbin, so perhaps that’s part of it as well. Some instances might preblock better than others.
I do think the learning curve is higher than traditional social media. Not that it’s hard, but the average person wants a plug and play without having to do anything. The caveat of having a preset curation of “safe” feed is that most people don’t explore past that, and it’s the random stuff that wanders in that makes things more interesting.
I think a difference between us is you block instances. I agree with the idea, but I’m hesitant to block whole instances for fear of weeding out some actually good people. I will block communities that I have zero interest in tho.
An instance block in your user settings just filters out all of the communities from thst instance. So, if you’re worried about not seeing comments from users on those sites, don’t be.
You are on an instance running Mbin, which iirc sorts things entirely differently, using Mbin (& Kbin)-only “Boosts” that ignore the external upvotes that Lemmy uses.
But more importantly, it looks like a lot of the most extremist content is being removed from your instance even before you have to make that call on your own. e.g. without an account I can see that the last post from https://fedia.io/u/@yogthos@lemmy.ml was a month ago, wheres if you follow the link you’ll see that they made two posts and two more comments within the last hour. They are extremely prolific!!!
So e.g. you can read posts about those posts - like this one: https://fedia.io/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/1454997/Tankie-believes-women-s-rights-in-Afghanistan-are-the-same-as - but if you search for the title you won’t see the actual post, as your instance seems to have banned it. The rest of the community is there (https://fedia.io/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml), minus this account. I don’t see anything about this in a Lemmy modlog, but I don’t know how to check that for Mbin (especially without an account?).
This is one of those times where how the Fediverse works is not just like email:-) - unless like Google would refuse to send or receive emails to/from Tim Cook of Apple 🍏🍎:-).
That’s a valid point. We should probably get a Chill feed, and as much as some people would hate to not see news, politics and tech in there, that could help.
A small list I just curated that could be in there
There is https://piefed.social/topic/chilling:-). It is too early to be recommending PieFed for a mainstream non-technical person to make an account on, but perhaps you could use that as an example to represent what such a feed could look like?
Though I for one am loving PieFed so far:-). I do have to fall back onto Lemmy quite often for tasks such as searching or performing mod duties or previewing how content will look prior to posting, but there are so many things that PieFed can do that Lemmy cannot. Like resolve 50 notifications with one button press, and either enable or disable notifications on a per-item basis (a comment or post or even an entire community, whatever), and block all users from an instance, and it embeds YouTube to show a preview and watch without leaving the site (in fairness, Tesseract likewise can do the latter for Lemmy, and also uniquely adds doing that for Loops videos as well - see it in action here).
For people who like to fine-tune the control of their environment, regardless of whether they use Arch Linux btw, PieFed is really awesome… so long as you know how to fall back onto a Lemmy (Mbin?) when you need it. i.e. for the early adopter mindset it’s a great (almost) daily driver already. And this even without knowing how to code, but for someone wanting to run their own instance it’s even more amazing since it uses Python rather than Rust for the back-end. (There’s also Sublinks that uses Java, but no developments have been announced for a long time due to family issues by the main developer).
Lemmy has a “mark all read” button, I might be missing something here?
A button I have accidentally pressed on at least three occasions. Apologies to everyone who posted a comment I was “going to reply to at some point”, which are now lost among hundreds of other comments.
Hrm, I don’t see it - does it only show up when there are (multiple) notifications? If so then it is me who is missing something here.
Oh, Voyager has such a button I see. Above, I meant the base Lemmy web UI.
Interesting. Yeah perhaps it hides when there are no notifications to be read. Edit: yes, this is the case! If even one notification is present then this row gets added.
PieFed always shows it. I’m not saying that’s better, just helping to explain the source of confusion.
Happy this is now clarified!
And we (re-)learned something in the process:-).