I know that was a lot to write so I want to acknowledge I read it all, appreciate the effort.

The existence and interactions of your group of activists is fascinating, I admit I lean towards radical inclusivity so it sounds a bit wild to me, but I also get and respect how difficult it is to maintain group cultures and where exclusivity is necessary and productive.

I fully agree that there will likely be some unity under Trump out of necessity and that it will unfortunately probably be temporary (can’t help but think about Biden getting the most votes ever being strong evidence towards that)

Not much follow up except to say you seem like a good person, hope whatever influence you seek is supported.

Stop being so defensive and whingy, I’m asking him to make a statement resembling a point so I can engage.

I’m asking you to make a point, and filling in the blank with an example which I’m glad was incorrect. So what is your point.

Well said, and I didn’t intend to say you are tearing down anyone.

The only relevancy to you is your statement about organizing I think is very important, but the blocker imo is that complex issues require working together in ambiguity and I’m seeing less evidence than ever that progressives who very much agree on what a problem is, and most of the solution to that problem, they then start squabbling rather than working together.

What is your point though, are you saying Trump and Harris are equivalent?

I don’t disagree, but I think that’s still the cart before the horse.

People in general need to stop tearing down people who are closest to them if any complex issue is to ever get solved imo. After the US election all you see is blame getting thrown around, and most of it (that I’ve seen) is blaming people closest in values for not approaching issues in the exact way the blamer wants them to.

Progressives seem like they will always struggle to make anything complex and meaningful happen when they tear each other down, meanwhile bigotry and regressiveness is pretty singular and easy for their opposition to mobilize.

And yet, he lost.

Bernie bros whinge so much about how unfair such and such was to Bernie. Do you think Trump’s campaign would have been less fair?

Also do you forget Russia was supporting Bernie because they wanted him as a spoiler, and yet you all sit here and continue to divide rather than support people who are damn close to your own values. It’s insane.

Are you kidding? Is that really an event you think proves your point? Please tell me you will read further on in that event than whoever sold you a partial story and fooled you into thinking that.

I also hope that those similar to your ideals focus on building you up for your common values, rather than arm chair criticisms while ignoring the deeply problematic other side of the equation.

I wish you all the luck in gathering voters behind your cause

It’s really fascinating how so many online have all the answers, and it would be so easy, and yet, you’re not out there doing it

America voted for Trump, but you’re going to blame the people who were working extremely hard to offer a viable alternative?

Sorry but that’s bullshit and is harmful.

Voting is quintessential to getting us out of this mess and trying to downplay the power of voting is only beneficial to those currently in power.

There are many actions to take beyond voting, but there is one very specific reason trump is president right now: his people voted.

What should they really learn? I’m sick of the blame being placed on decent people not doing enough.

How about we blame the pieces of crap that support Trump who has too many disgusting qualities to list.

To add to what the other person said, the biggest enemy of the boring party that wants to make the country better and isn’t making up ridiculous claims is apathy. (Not truly just apathy, but also people have lives to lead and it’s not like they get the day off, and voting isn’t the center of their life)

Mostly just look at the polling numbers after Harris was announced and how they have slowly fallen since then. There may be other reasons of course, but I find it hard to believe that people who supported Harris ever have any less support for her on a topic when comparing her to Trump.

Arnold absolutely sucks for what he did, I have long pointed to it as one example of why he shouldn’t be so glorified for not being completely insane as other Republicans.

That said, the other poster you’re talking to is in the right here, you’re ignoring the point entirely.

You are inventing that anyone is condoning killing innocent’s BUT that’s not even important.

You get to pick, you want more deaths, less deaths, or don’t care.

There are no other impacts you can have with your vote.

If you care deeply you can join marches and protest. The many people who are doing so will gladly tell you Harris is not doing enough, but that it would be idiotic to not vote for her.

In politics you choose a direction. Do you want more death, less death, or don’t care about the deaths.

Trump is more deaths, Harris is less deaths, not voting is that you don’t care about the deaths (or a different differentiating issue matters more)

Those are your choices when it comes to voting and encouraging others to vote.

That is your impact, pick one

Definitely just vote.

Polls are meaningless, even in 2020 they still underestimated Trump across the board, but no one talked about it because it wasn’t a close race.

2024 polls have Trump more likely to win and rising

No way with this supreme court. They already gave blanket immunity for anything done as president, which is absolutely insane and should have people rioting