Democracy is non-negotiable

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  • Big Miku@lemm.eetopolitics @lemmy.worldCNN's debate was no fair fight
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    4 months ago

    The part about voting is pretty simple logic.

    In a voting system where the one who gets majority of the votes wins, the other votes don’t really have an impact. Of course they are part of the race to win, but outside of that, what do the other votes do? Nothing. In other systems those votes would cause a second round to happen, but in the US system they don’t. Those votes are just… gone.

    Sure, you could argue that it’s about “sending a message”, but… why? Why do this now while the Project 2025 looms over the US if the Republicans win? The Democratic Party won’t change before the elections and no amount of threatening to vote for 3rd party will change that.

    The part about “if you don’t vote for Biden, you vote for Trump” is not literal. It’s more… abstract if that makes sense. Since if you vote for parties that have no realistic chance of winning, it means that a party that has a chance of winning doesn’t get that vote and the party you least want in power is one vote closer to win the election. This logic goes for both Democrats and Republicans. If a Republican votes for third party that has no chance of winning, their vote metaphorically goes to the Democratic party, since the Republican party will be one vote further away from the Democratic party. Hell, this same logic, to some extent, also applies to other systems, but not as much as the US system.

    So unless you are predicting Jill Stein to be making history and winning as a third party, a thing that hasn’t happened, that vote won’t affect the elections and the party you least want in power is just one vote closer to be winning.

    In a two round system, your vote would matter more, since your vote would be affecting everyone’s chance of getting an absolute majority of 50% all votes. And since everyone, but your chosen party, is one vote further from the 50% mark, a second round has a higher chance of happening.


  • Wouldn’t this be the case for any system that we could live under? There are always things that are needed to be produced (like food), so the system would have to prioritize those before allowing for more less-important things (like art and such). The amount of stuff that is needed to run modern society is pretty huge, so the positions that are left open for art and such would be pretty small, since those aren’t required for the existence of the system you live under. Of course they are needed for societal stuff, but that doesn’t matter if everyone dies of hunger due to a lack of farmers.

    The only way I see this changing is to automate the tasks that require the most amounts of humans to do that job, thus opening more places further up the “importance pyramid”. And by importance pyramid, I mean the hierarchy needed job, where the lowest is the most important for the continued existence of the system and the top is less important.

    Here’s examples of my argument for the two main political systems that seem to be around here (socialism and capitalism).

    Under capitalism supply and demand would steer us to make the important stuff before the less important stuff, since if there’s no people to buy the products that are made, there’s no point in making them. So the markets steer towards the more important stuff. Of course we could go around and around on the semantics of this way of thinking, but that’s the simplified version of this.

    Under socialism the same laws of supply and demand would apply, but this time it isn’t the “invisible hand of the market” who makes the decision, but the state, the councils, or whatever ruling structure is in your flavour of leftism. There’s just no getting around the demands that current society makes in order to run properly.

    So it all boils down to supply and demand. There’s is always going to be less demand for art when compared to food or medicine.