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    1. There’s a world of policy positions between “give as many weapons as desired without condition” and “abandon Israel”. AIPAC hasn’t gone after Democrats that just express reservations and demand accountability and their effectiveness requires they actually have an argument that with a lot of ad money can sway meaningful numbers of voters.
    2. AIPAC’s resources are not endless. They can drop big money in small races to influence them, but don’t have the resources to veto a president. Those weren’t crucial votes on Israel policy, they were members they thought were vulnerable. They couldn’t oust Ilhan Omar and they’re not even planning a challenge to Bernie Sanders despite his greater prominence and power. Learned helplessness however could give them everything they want without needing to have the actual power to force it.
    3. Finally, if you’re trying to discourage antiwar opposition, saying she is effectively required to act in accordance with AIPAC’s wishes is not going to sway anyone who’s angry about Israel’s genocide. If that were actually true then AIPAC supports genocide so, whether under duress or not, Democratic presidents will also be required to support genocide.




  • That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

    This is not a good argument. They’re not infants, they have agency and the ability to perceive the impacts of their actions.

    Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

    Eh, it certainly means they’re not proactively anti-genocide.

    But more importantly it’s not going to move someone uncomfortable with the Democratic material support for the genocide a single iota closer to accepting that there is still a better candidate both for Palestine and for all the aspects where they’re actually good, not just not as a bad.



  • Putin isn’t all that powerful a force in our society. He has limited influence and capability to disrupt operations. The GOP on the other hand has the ability and intention to drastically curtail our freedoms while sacrificing our well-being so rich people can get marginally richer. They’re the ones who can spend billions of dollars running sham efforts to get Stein on the ballot, they’re the ones who can give money to her campaign, and they’re the ones who have the cultural knowledge to run truly dangerous influence operations.

    I’m much more worried and angered by a “left” voice allying with the GOP than I am with some idea of foreign influence. The foreigners aren’t the problem. There are plenty of fascists right here at home and no remote ideological excuse for working with them in any fashion regardless of how angry you are with the DNC.



  • Russia is bad and all, but she’s much more directly a useful idiot for Republicans who are not only more directly focused on directly harming the people Stein’s campaign is targeting, but have a significantly greater ability to actually accomplish it. No one needs to trust the US establishment that Russia is bad, they know Republicans and how they’re bad.

    Also, DNC, why are you making this news on The Bulwark? Way to undercut your message.







  • I don’t expect the Democratic establishment to implement it, that’s why the Greens should actually get some state reps elected. Or even just compete in the places where they do have ranked choice voting. There’s plenty of state level races that don’t need a lot of money to be competitive. My rep was reelected with 3,000 votes.

    But voting for Jill Stein for president isn’t going to do anything. She has literally zero chance of winning, doesn’t seem to even put in the effort to understand the position she’s theoretically trying to obtain, and just pops up every four years to perpetually lose elections while grifting money away from rubes.


  • Flags of convenience for local people elected to powerless neighborhood boards do not indicate the party itself actually did anything. It’s actually not even that. They claim any win by a member of the Green party who’s not a member of another party is a Green party win. So the criteria is more about the candidate themselves giving money to the Green party than any effort in the other direction. And no, winning neighborhood board seats is not the level of foundation needed to launch a presidential run.

    Like I said, my state is a prime target for contesting elections from the left, but they do less than nobody parties organized around niche local issues. We’ve got low turnout, plenty of uninspiring neoliberal Democrats that are to the right of many voters (or even outright conservatives), and no real Republican party to worry about spoiling for. I’ve never even received so much as a flier from them. I had no idea they even fielded any candidates until well after the fact. This is possibly the best possible environment for Greens to come in and challenge the Democrats and it’s hard to even call their level of effort an afterthought. They fielded candidates in two whole races in the entire state.