• ButtermilkBiscuit@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    The same SU 35s getting shot down over Ukraine? Or are these the even worse export versions? Lol, it won’t matter.

    • Aux@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      SU-35 is a defence jet, not an assault one. It’s getting shot over Ukraine because it’s not used for its purpose. It’s like sending a heavy bomber into a dog fight.

      • ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        It’s supposed to be an air superiority aircraft not an interceptor. I think you’ve confused the two. Inceptors are defensive, air superiority are aggressive.

        Their role is to take control of new areas, in this role they’ve been taken out by Ukraine’s air defence. Which defends against aggressive aircraft.

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          7 months ago

          They still are not intended for invasion and air to ground attacks.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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      7 months ago

      Israel/Iran won’t be a proxy war if it goes hot.

      For one thing, they don’t have a border with Israel, and Israel doesn’t have Marines, so they can’t even load up and sail through ally controlled water.

      If Israeli troops try to invade Iran, or vice versa, it will either be through Iraq and Jordan/Syria and a whole bunch of weird shit will kick off if that happens.

      Also… Everyone knows Israel has nukes, and Iran’s program was rather famously sabotaged.

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        7 months ago

        Even if they don’t have a nuke (and we assume they haven’t otherwise acquired one), does Iran have the materials to make a dirty bomb?

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          Iran should have plenty of material for a dirty bomb from their joint Russian reactor project many many years back. The problem is that the US can fingerprint Uranium to where it was mined after a blast due to each mine having their own set of impurities based on the region the material came from.

          If the he material used in the peaceful electrical reactor project ends up in a bomb, it could be used as Casus Belli for a Nuclear Reaponse against Iran and Russia by Israel and the US.

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      7 months ago

      I was going to say the same thing. Maybe these are the especially shitty jets that are even shittier than their normal shitty jets?

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        7 months ago

        SU-35s are legemdarily good like their older SU-27 brothers. They’re arguably the best Gen 4 aircraft in the world now. In general,.Soviet and Russian aircraft have been very formidable.

        What you’re confusing “shittier” with is after Sukhoi hand the aircraft over to the Russian military. At which point poor selection and training hop in, strapped with janky or old weaponry, given orders by notoriously bad tacticians. And suddenly your fancy “Gen 4.5” aircraft is getting downed by anything with a half modern missile in the tube.

        Toe-to-toe it’ll be Israel’s F-16s—which will need modern configs—that will present a challenge. Certainly not the F-15s. But the real contender will be SAMs which I imagine are the latest fancy American ones.

        • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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          7 months ago

          Well… yes and no. Anything made in Russia over the last 2 years likely has electronics that are rather suspect. I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that some of those new flankers Iran is getting have some repurposed Whirlpool dishwasher chips squirreled away in there somewhere.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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      7 months ago

      The Iranians have been churning out literal thousands of Shahed drones for Russia to shoot into Ukraine. I’m pretty sure this was the other half of the deal they made.