• The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Cheap energy being framed as some kind of problem is a great demonstration of why we need a free press that isn’t solely owned by billionaires

      • sqibkw@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        My guess is that in a climate like Germany’s, solar isn’t consistent enough to provide the steady baseline power that coal plants can.

        One of the complexities of power infrastructure is that demand must be met instantaneously and exactly. Coal and solar typically occupy different roles in a grid’s power sources. Coal plants are slow to start, but very consistent, so they provide baseline power. Solar is virtually instantaneous, but inconsistent, so it’s better suited to handle the daily fluctuations.

        So, in a place like Germany, even in abundance, solar can’t realistically replace coal until we have a good way of storing power to act as a buffer. Of course, nuclear is a fantastic replacement for coal, but we all know how Germany’s politicians feel about it…

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          6 months ago

          Coulnd’t we use solar to pump water into reservoirs, and then let the water flow through hydroelectrical dams when we need the electricity?

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            6 months ago

            [yes](> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity)

            Taking into account conversion losses and evaporation losses from the exposed water surface, energy recovery of 70–80% or more can be achieved. This technique is currently the most cost-effective means of storing large amounts of electrical energy, but capital costs and the necessity of appropriate geography are critical decision factors in selecting pumped-storage plant sites.

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                  5 months ago

                  We have a lot of dams, but I haven’t heard that we were pumping water into the reservoirs.

                  We also don’t have, like, fields of solar panels, as far as I know. I think it’s too cloudy here. But we have wind turbines, especially in coastal areas.

    • Wanderer@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      Well it is a problem, sort of. It’s a failing of the market.

      But it does open up another market for energy storage so it will save itself through regular marker forces.

      But we absolutely want energy suppliers to make money off solar (over a year) or they will simply stop building more of it. I’m not sure if the German state is losing money on this though, in which case they absolutely need to build more storage.

      I’m getting really worried about how energy is going to be generated in winter once solar and batteries completely dominate energy production in the summer.