Unlike Hollywood movies, things aren’t always black and white. It is quite possible that both sides are. Neither the Hamas nor Nethanyahu government are the good guys. Both sides try to exterminate the other side. Both sides also don’t mind killing innocent people in their way.
It is a fucked up situation, and with recent developments it looks like it is turning into Israel’s Afghanistan. Biden was right warning Nethanyahu to not make the same mistake at US did after 9/11.
I responded to a comment asking why a national politician would choose a side in a conflict. My response was that her political party has picked a side to support by a wide majority.
Republicans support Israel in this conflict almost universally. Haley’s support of Israel isn’t controversial in her own party.
This wasn’t a statement on the morality of the conflict, but of the political support of the belligerents. Republicans support Israel.
Apologies, I misinterpreted the word “party” I thought it was a party in the conflict like Israel vs Gazans. And that Israel supporters don’t see it as controversial.
But Israelis DONT see it as controversial. Surveys of Israelis show 68% oppose humanitarian aid to Gaza. Intentional collective punishment and starvation are war crimes but they enjoy wide support in Israel; Netanyahu’s use of them is not considered objectionable by the mainstream and that’s not why the Israeli public is angry at him.
Bud, there is no duty to send people free food. Humanitarian aid is a nice gesture. Stopping it isn’t a war crime. Like what are you even talking about?
This isn’t about Israel giving free food, but that Israel is intentionally BLOCKING all food shipments into the Gaza Strip AND blowing up water and food production facilities to intentionally create a famine. The Geneva Conventions require you to ensure the health and safety of civilians of land you control. Intentional and deliberate starvation of civilians is a WAR CRIME. I can’t spell it out any further for you.
They blocked all food shipments for months and only relented after the US and ICJ pressured them and even then it’s only a trickle and not enough to sustain life. The confirmed famine is happening BECAUSE Israel is intercepting and blocking food from entering despite the long line of literally hundreds of trucks at israel-controlled crossings. It’s pure sophistry to suggest otherwise.
This is not true. Line length varies, hundreds of trucks go through every day. Some are held up. Yeah there is active combat in Rafah, that crossing has been closed some lately. You cannot cherry pick a couple of things that were true on one or two occasions and pretend its representative of the entire thing.
Hey, maybe Gaza could use their airport or their waterport to import as much food as they want? Oh wait, they gave them to Hamas who turned them into instrumentalities for international terrorism.
Hey, maybe they could import whatever they want through Egypt. Oh wait, Egypt doesn’t want Hamas using their border to import weapons and fighters, either.
There is no amount of aid that Israel is obligated to provide that is the cause of any hunger in Gaza. If people in Gaza are hungry, they should look to their own leadership, who are fucking fat, well fed, Happy to have all the food they want while neighbors and families are food insecure.
The fact that they provide any food is what makes them the most moral Army in the world. Any other Army would have leveled Gaza and everyone in it 20 suicide bombings ago.
Unlike Hollywood movies, things aren’t always black and white. It is quite possible that both sides are. Neither the Hamas nor Nethanyahu government are the good guys. Both sides try to exterminate the other side. Both sides also don’t mind killing innocent people in their way.
It is a fucked up situation, and with recent developments it looks like it is turning into Israel’s Afghanistan. Biden was right warning Nethanyahu to not make the same mistake at US did after 9/11.
I responded to a comment asking why a national politician would choose a side in a conflict. My response was that her political party has picked a side to support by a wide majority.
Republicans support Israel in this conflict almost universally. Haley’s support of Israel isn’t controversial in her own party.
This wasn’t a statement on the morality of the conflict, but of the political support of the belligerents. Republicans support Israel.
Apologies, I misinterpreted the word “party” I thought it was a party in the conflict like Israel vs Gazans. And that Israel supporters don’t see it as controversial.
But Israelis DONT see it as controversial. Surveys of Israelis show 68% oppose humanitarian aid to Gaza. Intentional collective punishment and starvation are war crimes but they enjoy wide support in Israel; Netanyahu’s use of them is not considered objectionable by the mainstream and that’s not why the Israeli public is angry at him.
Bud, there is no duty to send people free food. Humanitarian aid is a nice gesture. Stopping it isn’t a war crime. Like what are you even talking about?
That’s an impressive attempt at spinning.
This isn’t about Israel giving free food, but that Israel is intentionally BLOCKING all food shipments into the Gaza Strip AND blowing up water and food production facilities to intentionally create a famine. The Geneva Conventions require you to ensure the health and safety of civilians of land you control. Intentional and deliberate starvation of civilians is a WAR CRIME. I can’t spell it out any further for you.
They aren’t blocking all food shipments. This is false. Israel helped open three new desolinization plants since the war started. You got tricked.
They blocked all food shipments for months and only relented after the US and ICJ pressured them and even then it’s only a trickle and not enough to sustain life. The confirmed famine is happening BECAUSE Israel is intercepting and blocking food from entering despite the long line of literally hundreds of trucks at israel-controlled crossings. It’s pure sophistry to suggest otherwise.
This is not true. Line length varies, hundreds of trucks go through every day. Some are held up. Yeah there is active combat in Rafah, that crossing has been closed some lately. You cannot cherry pick a couple of things that were true on one or two occasions and pretend its representative of the entire thing.
Hey, maybe Gaza could use their airport or their waterport to import as much food as they want? Oh wait, they gave them to Hamas who turned them into instrumentalities for international terrorism.
Hey, maybe they could import whatever they want through Egypt. Oh wait, Egypt doesn’t want Hamas using their border to import weapons and fighters, either.
There is no amount of aid that Israel is obligated to provide that is the cause of any hunger in Gaza. If people in Gaza are hungry, they should look to their own leadership, who are fucking fat, well fed, Happy to have all the food they want while neighbors and families are food insecure.
The fact that they provide any food is what makes them the most moral Army in the world. Any other Army would have leveled Gaza and everyone in it 20 suicide bombings ago.
There is a long tradition of bipartisan support for Israel and it’s because Israel generally shares democratic ideals.