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        If you actually cared about Palestine to survive, your best bet is to vote Biden.

        All the alternatives will make the situation literally worse.

        But you don’t care about Palestine do you? You just want Trump to win. Since your overlord Pootin commanded you to.

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          If you actually cared about Palestine, you’d be on the streets demanding immediate action instead of begging people to check a box months from now when half a million Palestinians have starved to death.

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              Because you’re hyper fixated on a vote months from now that won’t help Palestinians at the current moment? Your priorities are pretty clear.

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          So. Let me get this straight. My BEST bet would be to vote for the same guy whose administration continues to provide billions of dollars in weapons to conduct airstrikes on refugee camps, and sometimes makes “We’re outraged! Who would have thought Israel would continue killing civilians!” comnents. You’re really as delusional as the other side. Greetings from a Pootin troll.

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            Yes that’s exactly right, because the alternative manages to somehow be even worse. All hail the two party system.

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            Glad you got it!

            That administration isn’t writing “finish them” on the bombs.

            Or what did you think would happen if Biden lost? Some green party that hasn’t gotten more than 5% of votes somehow winning?

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              If she didn’t have any bombs to write on in the first place, people might not have such an issue with biden.

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          If I’m Dmitri, you’re Hermann.

          I’m not the one sitting here making excuses for apartheid and genocide, Hermann.

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            No, you’re the one supporting the side whose potential VP candidate wrote “Finish them” on a piece of artillery to be used in the genocide that you pretend to be against, because she rightly believes their base will eat it up and doing so will help her get elected.

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            Nope sorry only explanation is that you’re Russian. Or if you somehow prove you’re not Russian, then you’re a useful idiot. Even the people who have voted third party for years, you’ve actually always been Russian.

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        Another lie.

        You drop older stock bombs first so you don’t have to decommission them. Everyone knows that. Israel already has all the bombs it needs to turn all of Gaza and the West Bank into a sheet of glass a dozen times over. Wtf are you talking about Biden sent them the weapons? American policy as to Israel has everything to do with its posture as to Iran and fuck all to do with Israel’s posture as to Gaza, except that the West will not let Gaza or the West Bank fall into the hands of Iranian backed terrorists, i.e. Hamas.

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    Why WHY would Joe Biden sign off on providing Nikki Haley with PERMANENT MARKERS!

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    How can they say they love Israel but also say Jews run everything and be generally negative towards Jews here?

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      “Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.”

      Edited to add:

      It’s a common tactic with fascist regimes. Nazis used to do it with Jewish propaganda by simultaneously claiming that Jews were weak vermin that needed to be exterminated and that they are this supervillain that controls all the money.

      You currently see it a lot with the people chanting “Genocide Joe” and claiming he is some mastermind warhawk with at the same time claiming that he is some feeble, senile old man. He’s Schrödinger’s politician!

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    FYI: Most of those braindead “am I not allowed to criticize Biden???” comments and posts on social media are a concerted effort by right-wingers from /pol and other such sewers, trying to get people to not vote against Trump. Don’t fall for it. These aren’t “lefties” or “tankies”. Just downvote, report, and ignore.

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      Maybe they’re involved, but a much bigger player pushing that line of reasoning is the Kremlin. They want to get Trump elected again so he cuts aid to Ukraine.

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      Lemmy is fucking FULL of them. Every other post is some Israel / Genocide Joe bullshit.

      If you didn’t know any better you’d think Joe is literally flying a bomber over Gaza right now.

      It’s getting tiresome even down voting this crap.

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      Why are they wasting effort on like 200 leftist techies? They could get a lot more bang for their buck on Facebook.

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      Democrats not doing all the faschie shit they claim to be saving us from challenge level impossible.

      Don’t like Joe? You’re a bot. Have a laundry list of gripes about Joe? Nope you’re a single issue voter whining about a single racial cleansing like a baby.

      Blue MAGA out here working overtime blaming the left for any and every Democratic loss, claim to hate Republicans but will hand an election to them every 4 years before they concede even an inch to the left instead of sprinting right to “court voters” that were NEVER going to vote with them.

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    Why would you think it’s a good political move to sign a bomb in such a controversial conflict. It boggles my mind who suggested that as a good idea.

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        Unlike Hollywood movies, things aren’t always black and white. It is quite possible that both sides are. Neither the Hamas nor Nethanyahu government are the good guys. Both sides try to exterminate the other side. Both sides also don’t mind killing innocent people in their way.

        It is a fucked up situation, and with recent developments it looks like it is turning into Israel’s Afghanistan. Biden was right warning Nethanyahu to not make the same mistake at US did after 9/11.

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          I responded to a comment asking why a national politician would choose a side in a conflict. My response was that her political party has picked a side to support by a wide majority.

          Republicans support Israel in this conflict almost universally. Haley’s support of Israel isn’t controversial in her own party.

          This wasn’t a statement on the morality of the conflict, but of the political support of the belligerents. Republicans support Israel.

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            Apologies, I misinterpreted the word “party” I thought it was a party in the conflict like Israel vs Gazans. And that Israel supporters don’t see it as controversial.

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              But Israelis DONT see it as controversial. Surveys of Israelis show 68% oppose humanitarian aid to Gaza. Intentional collective punishment and starvation are war crimes but they enjoy wide support in Israel; Netanyahu’s use of them is not considered objectionable by the mainstream and that’s not why the Israeli public is angry at him.

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                  That’s an impressive attempt at spinning.

                  This isn’t about Israel giving free food, but that Israel is intentionally BLOCKING all food shipments into the Gaza Strip AND blowing up water and food production facilities to intentionally create a famine. The Geneva Conventions require you to ensure the health and safety of civilians of land you control. Intentional and deliberate starvation of civilians is a WAR CRIME. I can’t spell it out any further for you.

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      I’m gonna vote for Biden if I have to rise from the dead and crawl through broken glass to do so, and I hope everyone reading this thread does.

      I’m not willing to pretend he’s not facilitating an ongoing genocide though.

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      Yes but see, if we just sit on our hands and don’t vote we won’t have any responsibility for what follows! Only voting for someone who is less than ideal on this issue is a morally bad choice!

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        I totally understand the point most of them are trying to make and agree with the sentiment, but they’re fucking morons. 100% absolute jibbering idiots.

        This is an ugly binary choice here because the United States electoral system is a steaming pile of horse shit. Do what I, your friendly neighborhood lefty, am doing and swallow your pride and vote for center right Joe Biden because he’s leagues better than the dementia-addled, fascist Cheeto Benito. Then take all the disgust you’ve built up by voting for and living with another neoliberal corporate shill presidency and work your ass off to make sure we don’t have to keep voting between Dumb and Dumber every fucking election.

        Do it because we’ll only be gently tiptoeing to the right under a Biden presidency, so it’s less likely you’ll end up in jail for discussing the “wrong” political ideology while that orange shitstained merkin would have me in jail just for writing this were it up to him. Don’t make it up to him.

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          Every time I encounter the “don’t vote” brigade, my first thought is that it’s a Russian or Chinese troll trying to get Trump elected again.

          My second thought, which is a bit more nuanced, is some introspection on what Biden is actually doing. He has three options with regards to Israel, none of them good.

          1. He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region, as well as a loss of an ally.
          2. He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel. This would also ultimately lead to broad regional warfare, which will also likely increase Russian influence in the region.
          3. He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.

          I don’t know that Biden is doing a very good job with #3, but #1 would be a catastrophe, and #2 is what Trump wants.

          This is a shitty situation in every conceivable way. Our ally, Israel, is currently being run by a corrupt and genocidal freak. There are no good answers to a situation like that beyond Israel coming to its senses and throwing Netanyahu in prison. But there are plenty of really bad answers, and Trump would be the worst.

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            He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region

            Why?

            He could fully commit to Netanyahu’s madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel.

            Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ

            He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.

            Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide

            Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel

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              Why?

              Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.

              Biden is doing this - he is threatening the ICC and ICJ

              No, he isn’t. Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?

              Biden is not doing this. We have not stopped weapon shipments and have clearly been unable (more like unwilling) to stop or prevent Israel’s genocide

              Dude, we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu. Were you sleeping?

              Also, Israel is not our ally. Their geopolitical interests align with Putin. Which is why they are trying to get Trump elected so that they can destroy the remnants of the “rules based international order” and begin in earnest their conquest of Greater Israel

              Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin, but only insofar as both seem hell-bent on destabilizing the region. Putin would gladly let Iran stroll right into Israel and slaughter everyone in it. Israel’s own actual interests do not remotely align with Putin’s.

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                Because Iran is a Russian ally and Russian proxy.

                Yes, but why does that mean stopping US weapons shipments to Israel would cause Iran to invade/attack/etc? Israel has a huge weapons stockpile and is still a Western ally - they just happen to be committing genocide with American funds and bombs.

                Where in the world are you getting the idea that he’s literally “threatening” either?

                https://www.ft.com/content/6700a246-e0cd-49d8-b5ef-d2379e86290f

                “The administration of President Joe Biden will work with Congress on possible sanctions against the International Criminal Court after its prosecutor announced it was seeking arrest warrants for senior Israeli and Hamas officials, US secretary of state Antony Blinken said on Tuesday.”

                we temporarily halted shipments earlier this month to put pressure on Netanyahu

                We resumed those shipments and funds, and Israel has since crossed Biden’s red line and attacked Rafah

                Netanyahu’s interests may align with Putin

                Netanyahu/Likud are dictators who control Israel. Until he/they are removed, their interests are Israel’s interests. Which means that Israel is a Russian asset with a stranglehold on American funds thanks to AIPAC

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                  I’d just like to remind you folks the headline you’re debating under:

                  Nikki Haley writes ‘finish them’ on IDF artillery shells during Israel visit

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        You do realize that “less than ideal” is probably an inadequate way to describe Joe funding a genocidal apartheid, right?

        It’s astonishing to me how comfortable you are with fascism, provided it wears a blue jersey.

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      No, it isn’t.

      We want to replace Genocide Joe with the Greens.

      Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it’s not going to happen.

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        Unfortunately most American voters lack a conscience, so it’s not going to happen.

        If you actually want to attract people to your cause, you may want to consider changing your tone. It could also be beneficial to mention some positive things about the candidate that you recommend instead of just bashing the current regime.

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          I’m shouting into the void and I know it. Nothing I do or say will change anything.

          I can look at the last 40 years and be astonished at how little American voters care about their own welfare, and rest assured that the election in November will likely be 49% to 49%, because for some reason they all are just exceptionally well-programmed to vote for the candidates that the wealthy want them to vote for. All of them are poorer now, both economically and socially, than they were even just ten years ago. They can see with their own two eyes that they get poorer no matter which party we elect, and it doesn’t stop them from voting solely on team color anyway.

          Hell, the Democrats had Marianne Williamson, an anti-war, pro-living wage, pro-universal health care candidate who can actually form a coherent thought in their primary. They decided overwhelmingly that they wanted the old, addled warmonger to be their president, even though he’s done nothing meaningful to try and fix their poverty, opting to spend his time keeping his scumbag son out of prison and the war money flowing to other countries.

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      Yeah, those stupid kids should just realize that one constant in America is that we kill or enable the killing of children. They should just accept that children will be killed in their name and get over themselves like us grown ups.

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        What is that law? Closest I think I can get is HR 4986 sec 227 which mentions Israel, but I can’t read further. Who put it in place?

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          From the linked politico article,

          Legally, the U.S. can’t cut Israel off completely. Since 2008, the U.S. has had to weigh all arms sales to Israel and other countries in the region against the requirement that Israel maintains a “qualitative military edge” against all enemies, both state and non-state actors.

          In 2008, George W. Bush was in his second term as president.

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            Yes, Bush was the president for most of 2008. Obama got a short portion, although the exact president in place doesn’t necessarily tell you if they agreed anyway. Since president’s don’t really write law, I was looking for the exact law to see the history of which representatives were pushing it. I wanted to see what the angle was for that piece of the bill and what else was attached to it. Nothing gets passed as an individual law, meaning it was probably a rider in a much larger group of laws that likely made it a non-negotiable requirement bundled into a more pressing matter.

            But I guess 9+ people read my simple question as total contempt for the situation.

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      That’ll happen when you give Democrats the presidency and a majority in Congress and all they do with it is issue blank checks for war instead of addressing the needs of the poor and working class.

      It’s a replay of 2016, when Hillary (and Obama before her) ignored the Rust Belt and it lost her the presidency.

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          If your reflexive response is: “But they suck too!” you should realize it’s not the fantastic defense you think it is.

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        Failed Republican presidential nominees writing on artillery shells is the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress? Interesting.

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          No.

          The bombs are the result of Democrats in the White House and Congress, seeing as how they’re the ones in power and they support arming a genocidal apartheid. What people write on them isn’t of any real consequence to me. I’m angry about the fact that we’re still sending them weapons.

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              The evil of the right is self-evident.

              But I count it more evil to pretend one is progressive and then do exactly the same things the right-wing people are doing.

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                  Not at all.

                  Democrats, by and large, don’t accept any criticism of their party, preferring instead to make excuses or feign powerlessness on the part of their elected officials. (They share that trait with Republicans, in fact.)

                  And then an instance happens where having the same position as the Republicans means you either have to accept genocide or pretend in your head that you’re still morally superior while the president you want us all to vote for sends the weapons over to make it happen.

                  It’s like that meme with the red button. Your cognitive dissonance is impressive.

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            Oh you’re saying the Republicans in power don’t agree with providing weapons to Israel?