Sign up for daily news updates from CleanTechnica on email. Or follow us on Google News! Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 33% in September 2024 compared to September 2023. There were 1.7 million registrations, which is a new record. BEVs were up by 12% YoY (year over year), to ... [continued]
I’m surprised not a single European, Korean, Japanese or American maker besides Tesla is able to make the top 20 chart?
Tesla has 2 high ranking models on the list, but as far as I can tell, everything else on that list is Chinese!
So I can’t help asking myself whether that list is reliable?
Unfortunately, this is another one of those bullshit lists that count Hybrid as electric, which is VERY misleading and a completely false narrative, for the purpose of ICE car makers to get some of those sweet EV benefits.
A hybrid is NOT an electric car, It’s an ICE car with limited EV functionality.
BYD has 11 models in the top 20! So I don’t really see how that argument changes anything.
Also the list cover 40% of sales, so the remaining 60% has to be shared among all the biggest car makers.
Toyota, VW, Hyundai etc.
Thats not strictly true. Most hybrids now use a gas motor to augment the battery since commercially available batteries aren’t as convenient.
In all of them that I can think of, the gas motor never provides torque to the wheels, it runs a generator that then runs the electric motor. Same principle as diesel electric locomotives.
Also, western idiots have been allowing the CCP to buy a functional monopoly on rare earth metal mines.
How does that in any way change what I wrote?
Older Hybrids that use a combustion engine to charge the battery, are in fact MORE ICE than electric. They just have an extra step for the power from the combustion engine to reach the wheels. You might as well add an extra gearbox to an ICE car, and call it a gearbox car, because it runs on “gearbox”.
Tests here (Denmark) have shown plugin Hybrids on average drive only less than half on Battery, so those too are MORE ICE than hybrid on average.
Of course there are use cases for hybrids, but they are neither purely ICE or Purely EV, they are hybrid for christ sake. That’s also the reason they are called Hybrid.
One one hand you have things like the current batch of BMW “hybrids” that are just an underpowered(at least for the highway mountain passes where I am, they’re overpowered for city driving) gas car with a token electric motor.
But you also have ones that have a tiny gas motor that can be designed to run exclusively at peak efficiency. Is it ideal, no, ideally it would be 100% electric, but for the logistics we have, they will do for now.
As I stated before, there are use cases for hybrid, but that doesn’t make them fully electric cars. Calling a partially electric car electric is nonsense. Which leads to exactly the question of where the line is drawn.
On a global scale, why wouldn’t it be reliable? China has the biggest EV boom and over 10% of the global population. It’s not unreasonable that a global tally skews results to the Chinese or Indian market.
Is a tired 1st gen Leaf an “EV with limited EV functionality” if the battery only has 50 miles of range now? Where do you draw the line?
If it has a combustion engine, it’s obviously not an EV. It’s only partially an EV, and that part varies dramatically.
The Nissan leaf is clearly 100% EV, even if that 100% doesn’t take you very far.
I draw the line at 100%
I’m surprised not a single European, Korean, Japanese or American maker besides Tesla is able to make the top 20 chart?
Tesla has 2 high ranking models on the list, but as far as I can tell, everything else on that list is Chinese!
So I can’t help asking myself whether that list is reliable?
Unfortunately, this is another one of those bullshit lists that count Hybrid as electric, which is VERY misleading and a completely false narrative, for the purpose of ICE car makers to get some of those sweet EV benefits.
A hybrid is NOT an electric car, It’s an ICE car with limited EV functionality.
Don’t forget that this list contains individual models. Traditional car makers have many different models and therefore less sales per car.
If all the volkswagen cars based on the MEB platform would count as one model, it would probably be in the top 3.
Probably not judging from the manufacturer totals
Maybe number 4 or 5 then, but far better than not in the top 20 at all
BYD has 11 models in the top 20! So I don’t really see how that argument changes anything.
Also the list cover 40% of sales, so the remaining 60% has to be shared among all the biggest car makers.
Toyota, VW, Hyundai etc.
Thats not strictly true. Most hybrids now use a gas motor to augment the battery since commercially available batteries aren’t as convenient.
In all of them that I can think of, the gas motor never provides torque to the wheels, it runs a generator that then runs the electric motor. Same principle as diesel electric locomotives.
Also, western idiots have been allowing the CCP to buy a functional monopoly on rare earth metal mines.
How does that in any way change what I wrote?
Older Hybrids that use a combustion engine to charge the battery, are in fact MORE ICE than electric. They just have an extra step for the power from the combustion engine to reach the wheels. You might as well add an extra gearbox to an ICE car, and call it a gearbox car, because it runs on “gearbox”.
Tests here (Denmark) have shown plugin Hybrids on average drive only less than half on Battery, so those too are MORE ICE than hybrid on average.
Of course there are use cases for hybrids, but they are neither purely ICE or Purely EV, they are hybrid for christ sake. That’s also the reason they are called Hybrid.
There are degrees of plugin hybrids.
One one hand you have things like the current batch of BMW “hybrids” that are just an underpowered(at least for the highway mountain passes where I am, they’re overpowered for city driving) gas car with a token electric motor.
But you also have ones that have a tiny gas motor that can be designed to run exclusively at peak efficiency. Is it ideal, no, ideally it would be 100% electric, but for the logistics we have, they will do for now.
As I stated before, there are use cases for hybrid, but that doesn’t make them fully electric cars. Calling a partially electric car electric is nonsense. Which leads to exactly the question of where the line is drawn.
On a global scale, why wouldn’t it be reliable? China has the biggest EV boom and over 10% of the global population. It’s not unreasonable that a global tally skews results to the Chinese or Indian market.
Is a tired 1st gen Leaf an “EV with limited EV functionality” if the battery only has 50 miles of range now? Where do you draw the line?
If it has a combustion engine, it’s obviously not an EV. It’s only partially an EV, and that part varies dramatically.
The Nissan leaf is clearly 100% EV, even if that 100% doesn’t take you very far.
I draw the line at 100%
Meaning there are 3 categories:
EV
Hybrid
ICE
From a categorization standpoint, sure. I guess what I was trying to get at was I’ll happily take a PHEV sale over yet another ICE
Absolutely, for me personally I bet I could find a PHEV that would be able to work 90% on battery for my daily drive.