I don’t think a “Putin link” is necessary to build a justification.
It’s enough that Musk is a bilionaire controlling the platform and intefering in it: that thing is not a fair platform of communication, it’s algorithimically shaped to make it a Propaganda vehicle and there’s no point in frequenting a place whose function is to make you think and do what others want you to think and do.
This desperate attempt at a finding a “Russia excuse” is a massive Americanism reminiscent of McCarthism and generally boils doing directly or indirectly a self-serving excuse from politicians from “moderate” parties who have spent the last 2 or 3 decades serving interests other than those of their voters and who now are reaping the natural results of that, and they want to blame anybody else but themselves. When the rationale “by an amazing coincidence” entirelly absolves the people putting it forward and doesn’t come with strong proof, it’s bullshit until further evidence for it emerges. We saw a lot of that shit parroted by Democrat tribalists here in Lemmy right after their loss in the Presidential Elections in the US - the fault was from everybody but they themselves.
I don’t really know how much Russia interferes with Twitter or with the various elections the West (I’m pretty sure they at least try, but there are so many interested in making it seem huge and shifting all the blame to it, that what we common humans with no access to intelligence brefings hear about it is too thick with propaganda to be trusted), but then again the same goes for Israel and other countries and even individuals with enough means to pay for it (or ownership of media vehicles) who have an interest in shaping the outcomes, especially multi-millionaires and billionares - remember the massive role of Cambridge Analitica in Brexit, and they were paid not by Russia but by wealthy Americans.
What I’m saying is that ultimatelly it’s the being a Propaganda outlet that matters and the “whose propaganda” is irrelevant: none of those actors are doing their manipulative “opinion forming” for my best interests and their chosing to use such techniques tells me that they see other human beings as nothing more than puppets on their strings, so they’re not the kind of people one can trust in any way form or shape.
Personally I droped Twitter following the whole Brexit thing and well before Musk, though the latter did made me actually delete my account rather than just leave it there unused.
Yeah, to US libs it’s always Putin and never the thousands of radical fascist talk show hosts on AM radio or the Salem Media Group beaming out of NYC. That’s because liberals voted for the 1996 Telecommunications Act that gave corporations the power to buy up all the media outlets and push that shit. When you point that out, they try to play the “marketplace of ideas” card…that liberal/leftist shows would be there instead if they made money. They just dont know who they’re dealing with, and they never learn.
I think their double standard on media manipulation is derived from them being absolutelly fine with some people mass-manipulating others but not with other people doing it, which if you think about it is another aspect of the same kind of take that Trumpist muppets have: such an such should be done to “them”, but when it’s being done to “us” it shouldn’t happen.
People whose thinking is based on Principles and who at least try to not be tribalist, tend conclude that it’s the act itself - the manipulation - that is the morally and ethically wrong thing quite independently of who are the perpetrators or the victims.
The funny thing specifically with US libs is that it’s exactly the turning of their media into Propaganda Outlets, which they themselves supported and used, that sewed the fields for the harvest that Trump is harvesting: it destroyed people’s confidence in the traditional media opening the path for manipulation via social media and for the kind of populism that Trump uses - “strong man” saying whatever he thinks people want to hear quite independently of it being true or not, in a very assured way and using everyday language (even rufian language) which massivelly contrasts with the style of deceit prefered by liberals.
I don’t think a “Putin link” is necessary to build a justification.
It’s enough that Musk is a bilionaire controlling the platform and intefering in it: that thing is not a fair platform of communication, it’s algorithimically shaped to make it a Propaganda vehicle and there’s no point in frequenting a place whose function is to make you think and do what others want you to think and do.
This desperate attempt at a finding a “Russia excuse” is a massive Americanism reminiscent of McCarthism and generally boils doing directly or indirectly a self-serving excuse from politicians from “moderate” parties who have spent the last 2 or 3 decades serving interests other than those of their voters and who now are reaping the natural results of that, and they want to blame anybody else but themselves. When the rationale “by an amazing coincidence” entirelly absolves the people putting it forward and doesn’t come with strong proof, it’s bullshit until further evidence for it emerges. We saw a lot of that shit parroted by Democrat tribalists here in Lemmy right after their loss in the Presidential Elections in the US - the fault was from everybody but they themselves.
I don’t really know how much Russia interferes with Twitter or with the various elections the West (I’m pretty sure they at least try, but there are so many interested in making it seem huge and shifting all the blame to it, that what we common humans with no access to intelligence brefings hear about it is too thick with propaganda to be trusted), but then again the same goes for Israel and other countries and even individuals with enough means to pay for it (or ownership of media vehicles) who have an interest in shaping the outcomes, especially multi-millionaires and billionares - remember the massive role of Cambridge Analitica in Brexit, and they were paid not by Russia but by wealthy Americans.
What I’m saying is that ultimatelly it’s the being a Propaganda outlet that matters and the “whose propaganda” is irrelevant: none of those actors are doing their manipulative “opinion forming” for my best interests and their chosing to use such techniques tells me that they see other human beings as nothing more than puppets on their strings, so they’re not the kind of people one can trust in any way form or shape.
Personally I droped Twitter following the whole Brexit thing and well before Musk, though the latter did made me actually delete my account rather than just leave it there unused.
Yeah, to US libs it’s always Putin and never the thousands of radical fascist talk show hosts on AM radio or the Salem Media Group beaming out of NYC. That’s because liberals voted for the 1996 Telecommunications Act that gave corporations the power to buy up all the media outlets and push that shit. When you point that out, they try to play the “marketplace of ideas” card…that liberal/leftist shows would be there instead if they made money. They just dont know who they’re dealing with, and they never learn.
I think their double standard on media manipulation is derived from them being absolutelly fine with some people mass-manipulating others but not with other people doing it, which if you think about it is another aspect of the same kind of take that Trumpist muppets have: such an such should be done to “them”, but when it’s being done to “us” it shouldn’t happen.
People whose thinking is based on Principles and who at least try to not be tribalist, tend conclude that it’s the act itself - the manipulation - that is the morally and ethically wrong thing quite independently of who are the perpetrators or the victims.
The funny thing specifically with US libs is that it’s exactly the turning of their media into Propaganda Outlets, which they themselves supported and used, that sewed the fields for the harvest that Trump is harvesting: it destroyed people’s confidence in the traditional media opening the path for manipulation via social media and for the kind of populism that Trump uses - “strong man” saying whatever he thinks people want to hear quite independently of it being true or not, in a very assured way and using everyday language (even rufian language) which massivelly contrasts with the style of deceit prefered by liberals.
Liberals: We want to obsess over Putin’s fascism!
Leftists: We have fascism at home!
Liberals: Putin brought fascism to our homes?
Leftists: Jesus Fuckin’ Christ…
Q: What’s the difference between Lemmy MAGAs and Lemmy Leftists?
A: Nothing! All they ever post is fantasies about “liberal tears”.
We have fascism at home!
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