Tipping doesn’t enable the practice, but not tipping does negatively impact the people who are being taken advantage of by the system.
If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.
If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.
It is the same logical leap that says if we just keep not voting for Democrats, they’ll suddenly get better.
Funny how in the dozens of conversations I’ve read on this subject, the people receiving the tips aren’t the ones bitching about tips.
I worked at a payroll firm and many of those folks are making more than a “fair wage”.
But the system MAN! Apparently servers are loving the system. Because they’re absolutely silent in these threads. If you had your way, they would make less money. But I guess you could be satisfied that you brought “the man” down low. Worker solidarity, right?
Lmao for real. When I was working as a waiter / bartender, I was easily making as much or more money than my managers and working 1/3 as many hours, all while my paychecks read $0.00 due to taxes.
The problem with that industry, for me, wasn’t the money. It was the people. Especially the self-righteous assholes. I didn’t even care if the occasional person tipped poorly or not at all, but if they were a dick head, and they didn’t tip, good luck getting good, or if i could, any service from me in the future.
I’m not even sure that’s the case. I went to a restaurant where there was a required “tip” (regardless of party size) and then they gave the option for an additional tip. I assume they did that because a large enough percentage of patrons did not tip and I assume this is what businesses in the US would do in general, rather than just increase the prices on the menu which would give customers a more clear picture of what they’ll be spending.
“Does that mean you’re going to harass the owners to pay them a living wage, Leon? Maybe hand them some literature, mount some social pressure or a boycott? Change the laws? Give the owners a pile of ‘tip’ money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages? Something?”
I mean, something. That one gets the workers paid without them needing to enter into any kind of weird payment-is-voluntary servitude for it. It might also shame the owners into just abolishing the policy. Certainly it has a higher chance of success than just stiffing the workers and advising other shoppers to do the same.
The operative word in that statement is should, Leon
Yeah, I want waitstaff to be paid a living wage.
Until that happens tipping is a necessary evil.
Or maybe tipping is enabling the practice?
Tipping doesn’t enable the practice, but not tipping does negatively impact the people who are being taken advantage of by the system.
If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.
It is the same logical leap that says if we just keep not voting for Democrats, they’ll suddenly get better.
Yes, same logic and predictable outcome.
How is it the same? Democrat is not a job that needs filling. See what restaurants will do if their staff have to leave for better paying jobs.
Funny how in the dozens of conversations I’ve read on this subject, the people receiving the tips aren’t the ones bitching about tips.
I worked at a payroll firm and many of those folks are making more than a “fair wage”.
But the system MAN! Apparently servers are loving the system. Because they’re absolutely silent in these threads. If you had your way, they would make less money. But I guess you could be satisfied that you brought “the man” down low. Worker solidarity, right?
Lmao for real. When I was working as a waiter / bartender, I was easily making as much or more money than my managers and working 1/3 as many hours, all while my paychecks read $0.00 due to taxes.
The problem with that industry, for me, wasn’t the money. It was the people. Especially the self-righteous assholes. I didn’t even care if the occasional person tipped poorly or not at all, but if they were a dick head, and they didn’t tip, good luck getting good, or if i could, any service from me in the future.
No service industry worker in drag’s country would consent to being paid less than minimum wage.
I’m not even sure that’s the case. I went to a restaurant where there was a required “tip” (regardless of party size) and then they gave the option for an additional tip. I assume they did that because a large enough percentage of patrons did not tip and I assume this is what businesses in the US would do in general, rather than just increase the prices on the menu which would give customers a more clear picture of what they’ll be spending.
The whole cart and horse thing
“Does that mean you’re going to harass the owners to pay them a living wage, Leon? Maybe hand them some literature, mount some social pressure or a boycott? Change the laws? Give the owners a pile of ‘tip’ money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages? Something?”
“No. I like the owners. They sell me milkshakes.”
I think that last one might not be all that effective
I mean, something. That one gets the workers paid without them needing to enter into any kind of weird payment-is-voluntary servitude for it. It might also shame the owners into just abolishing the policy. Certainly it has a higher chance of success than just stiffing the workers and advising other shoppers to do the same.