Just curious, do you not see how that would frustrate someone who is not vegan? If your goal is to be confrontational, that little speech definitely hits the mark, but if you’re not, perhaps reflect on the preaching.
Personally, eat what you want to eat. The more vegans and vegetarians around, the better those food choices will be for everyone.
Why would it be frustrating? It is just true. There’s no personal attack there, I’m not calling someone anything. It’s just reality, if you eat hamburgers that is what happened to get it to your plate. If you don’t think cows have feelings it shouldn’t bother you, if you think cows have feelings but they don’t matter very much it shouldn’t bother you, if you do find it bothersome to think about but eat hamburgers that’s on you not me.
Quite seriously, either you are ok with what you do or you are not. How is talking about it frustrating or confrontational?
I don’t feel bad when I prune a tree, and if you talk about rows and rows of fruit trees being pruned and how they’re slathered in nutrients and watered heavily to produce fruit before a harvester violently shakes them I feel neither confronted nor frustrated. I have no reason to even slightly suspect that treatment is wrong. Surely if feedlots and slaughterhouses are morally good or neutral I would at worst seem vaguely silly.
Ok, so I’m sure when you pick up your iPhone you’d love to have someone tell you how much abuse and suffering so many steps in the supply chain involve from the raw material harvesting, terrible working conditions to assemble them, etc.
Just pointing out that what you are doing is the literal definition of preaching. Not sure why you are surprised.
You know what, I would. If there is a problem that I’m unknowingly part of, it’s better to know and maybe do something about it than to ignore it.
I can’t say I will go live to a hut im the forest with no technology, but will at least be mindful of it and tried to minimize it. If I could afford a new iPhone, I’d certainly rather buy me a Fairphone. There are options and the options are a spectrum, not one or the other.
Most people take moderate steps to do the same. It’s not just meat and phones though. It’s difficult to live in a globalized world without reaping the rewards of exploitation or suffering, directly or indirectly, somewhere along the supply chain. Most people do not have the free time or resources to micromanage their consumption, so most people have some habits which become unethical when scrutinized. When their habits are morally criticized, people tend to become defensive.
Do you limit yourself to botanical fruits, or does the suffering of plants not bother you? Surely you sweep the ground before you tread on it to avoid crushing insects. And I trust you don’t use any medicines or cleaning agents that might invoke genocide upon microorganisms.
Personally, I stopped being a vegan for several reasons, yet generally I source my meat either through ethical suppliers, or secondhand (on clearance, at the end of the sell-by date, when it would otherwise be thrown out). I’ve found that people are much more receptive to calm ethical conversations with a fellow omnivore than to Ching Hai, Food Inc, guilt tripping from a condescending vegan. Plus, the measured approach makes them more likely to listen to you about other ethical issues.
Just curious, do you not see how that would frustrate someone who is not vegan? If your goal is to be confrontational, that little speech definitely hits the mark, but if you’re not, perhaps reflect on the preaching.
Personally, eat what you want to eat. The more vegans and vegetarians around, the better those food choices will be for everyone.
Why would it be frustrating? It is just true. There’s no personal attack there, I’m not calling someone anything. It’s just reality, if you eat hamburgers that is what happened to get it to your plate. If you don’t think cows have feelings it shouldn’t bother you, if you think cows have feelings but they don’t matter very much it shouldn’t bother you, if you do find it bothersome to think about but eat hamburgers that’s on you not me.
Quite seriously, either you are ok with what you do or you are not. How is talking about it frustrating or confrontational?
I don’t feel bad when I prune a tree, and if you talk about rows and rows of fruit trees being pruned and how they’re slathered in nutrients and watered heavily to produce fruit before a harvester violently shakes them I feel neither confronted nor frustrated. I have no reason to even slightly suspect that treatment is wrong. Surely if feedlots and slaughterhouses are morally good or neutral I would at worst seem vaguely silly.
Ok, so I’m sure when you pick up your iPhone you’d love to have someone tell you how much abuse and suffering so many steps in the supply chain involve from the raw material harvesting, terrible working conditions to assemble them, etc.
Just pointing out that what you are doing is the literal definition of preaching. Not sure why you are surprised.
You know what, I would. If there is a problem that I’m unknowingly part of, it’s better to know and maybe do something about it than to ignore it.
I can’t say I will go live to a hut im the forest with no technology, but will at least be mindful of it and tried to minimize it. If I could afford a new iPhone, I’d certainly rather buy me a Fairphone. There are options and the options are a spectrum, not one or the other.
https://www.fairphone.com/
Yes actually, I don’t deal with problems by ignoring them. That’s uh, why I have a second hand phone.
See, when something I’m doing upsets me and conflicts with my self image as a person who tries to do good I stop doing that thing. What do you do?
Most people take moderate steps to do the same. It’s not just meat and phones though. It’s difficult to live in a globalized world without reaping the rewards of exploitation or suffering, directly or indirectly, somewhere along the supply chain. Most people do not have the free time or resources to micromanage their consumption, so most people have some habits which become unethical when scrutinized. When their habits are morally criticized, people tend to become defensive.
Do you limit yourself to botanical fruits, or does the suffering of plants not bother you? Surely you sweep the ground before you tread on it to avoid crushing insects. And I trust you don’t use any medicines or cleaning agents that might invoke genocide upon microorganisms.
Personally, I stopped being a vegan for several reasons, yet generally I source my meat either through ethical suppliers, or secondhand (on clearance, at the end of the sell-by date, when it would otherwise be thrown out). I’ve found that people are much more receptive to calm ethical conversations with a fellow omnivore than to Ching Hai, Food Inc, guilt tripping from a condescending vegan. Plus, the measured approach makes them more likely to listen to you about other ethical issues.
Edit: rule 5. Sorry