Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.
Developing.
Analysis is saying the jury using the word “verdict” indicates this is not a hung jury.
Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?
Judge has now called for the jury.
Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.
Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.
Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.
Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.
Developing.
Analysis is saying the jury using the word “verdict” indicates this is not a hung jury.
Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?
Judge has now called for the jury.
Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.
Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.
Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.
If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:
Updated 05/30/2024
New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - July 11, 2024
Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, has been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity. They are due to hear those arguments on April 25th.
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - Postponed Indefinitely
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.
There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.
You must log in or register to comment.
“This was a disgrace. This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. It’s a rigged trial, a disgrace. They wouldn’t give us a venue change. We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area. This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.”
I hope the judge takes his complete lack of contrition into account when sentencing. If Cohen did time, Trump should do time.
Plus the contempt.
The contempt x10, the fact Cohen did time in prison for the other side of this thing, the attacks on the judge’s daughter and family, staff, intimidation of jurors and witnesses…
They should haul up all the perpetrators and try them individually, extract the confessions, then come back for the shitstain.
I mean, that’s the whole point of the RICO stuff. It allows them to give sweetheart deals to the first few who flip, as long as they agree to testify against the rest. And we’ve seen exactly that happening.
And the slander.
I’ll allow it.
/ Judgey speak.
tips sombrero
We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.
You mean the same district that elected Rudy Ghouliani for mayor?
This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.
Rigged how? Is Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump alleging that the 12 random jurers were secretly preselected even though his own lawyer helped select the jury? How come he is giving zero details? Because there are no details to give. Literally every court case and election that Loser Trump loses is “rigged” because his one and only strategy on everything is “Lie, Lie, Lie”.
It has now been brought to my attention that you can take the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles song and instead sing:
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felonBecause he paid a pornstar, Tobequiet.
Edit: Just finishing the TMNT song to appease my compulsions y’all. I understand the the legal case is more complicated.
Is prostitution illegal in NY? Why did he not just say “I wanted to fuck a pornstar so I did”?
He was specifically illegally conspiring to keep it a secret from voters, that’s why it was a felony instead of a misdemeanor falsification of business records.
It was discussed during the Hope Hicks testimony and others. After the Access Hollywood tape came out, his poll numbers took a nosedive. He was afraid that a story about cheating on his wife with a porn star would doom the campaign so he arranged to pay hush money to her and talked about on stiffing her on the rest of the payments after the election.
If the story hadn’t been about to come out in late October 2016 and the Access Hollywood tape hadn’t just come out, there’s a decent chance he wouldn’t have paid her off.
As in most things in life, it’s all about timing and that was a big part of the prosecutions case for establishing motive.
It wasn’t the prostitution, it was that he commit fraud, he used election funds to pay her and then falsified documents saying he didn’t. It was fraud, not prostitution
Yes it’s illegal. There were talks about decrimilization, but I believe that was only for the prostitute, not the soliciter. And it seems it hasn’t gone through.
This isn’t the reason. He committed fraud while paying a porn star to be quit. He did not commit a crime with the payment itself necessarily, rather in how he did it (and with the side effect of defrauding the public during an election).
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
Trump is a convicted felon
Put him in a jail cell
Justice Power!
New York does not fuck around.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY
The People of the State of New York and Attorney General Letitia James v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY
The People of the State of New York and District Attorney Alvin Bragg v. Donald J. Trump - GUILTY
Three up, three down.
Now get the fuck outta here.
I’m currently watching the Trump presser the day after, and he’s straight up violating his gag order, spending awhile talking about Cohen, basically saying “I can’t talk about him, but his name rhymes with Mohen, they call him a fixer, and …” The whole thing is nuts but just thought that was a bit special.
I think once the trial is completed, the gag order isn’t in play.
The whole point of the gag order was to keep him from intimidating witnesses and jurors, well all that is done now.
I’m sure the judge will take it into consideration for sentencing though!
The trial isn’t over though; He still needs to be sentenced. He has been found guilty, yes. But the courts haven’t actually decided on an acceptable punishment. That’s what will happen on the 11th.
Yep, and I’m sure blatantly violating the gag order (assuming it works like for a normal person) will lead to harsher sentencing. In that case, I hope he violates it further.
A trial is incomplete until sentencing I thought? I’ve seen no paperwork dismissing the gag. But idk.
Damn, I don’t think I felt like this since election night, 2020.
Where are all the people who insisted that this would be a hung jury / acquittal? This was an easy and quick decision. I told you NYC would do this before the weekend.
I was very worried that some magabrain slipped their way in there and would spike this. I’m glad I was wrong.
Absolutely my #1 worry about all of these trials. Feeling hopeful about the others now.
Hey, I was one of those, I’m happy to be wrong. The other person is right, I am now changing it up to say he won’t see any actual punishment.
This guy has been violating court orders over and over. Any of the rest of us would be in prison by now. I’ll believe in jail time or a fine that actually hurts him when I see it.
- Trump’s crimes will never be investigated
- Trump’s crimes will never be referred to a grand jury
- Trump will never be indicted by a grand jury
- Trump will never go to trial
- The judge will throw the case out
- The jury will not return a verdict / hung jury
- Trump will not be convicted on all counts
- Trump will not be sentenced <— You are here
- Trump will not be punished (jail / house arrest)
- Trump will appeal and overturn the verdict
- Trump is too old and frail to serve his sentence
Yes, all except 5 (for this set of felonies). See you in July, when we maybe find out how step 8 goes.
People said all of those things. People are going to continue to be wrong.
Well hopefully, they’re celebrating having been wrong.
I think they’ve moved on to claiming Trump will never be sentenced to anything and will appeal it forever.
This is not a complicated case. His signature was on 9 of the 11 checks and there was so much testimony linking him to the crimes. Michael Cohen played a secret tape of him and Trump discussing it!
The judge bent over backwards to make the trial fair and any appeals will probably be rejected. There’s just nothing to appeal.
Pretty sure it’s from watching him avoid real consequences for the past decade. I never want to assume he’ll actually be punished for once, cause the world will somehow rearrange itself to bail him out.
Open and shut classified documents case? He gets a judge who would move the earth for him.
That bond that could have bankrupted him? A court slashed the value to a mere fraction at the twelfth hour.
The highest court of the land is openly corrupt and several of the members were appointed by him.
Every single time I’ve thought “surely he can’t slither out of this one,” it becomes less than a footnote in the past few years. Just can’t bring myself to hope anymore. It feels like, even if he was sentenced and exhausted all appeals, he’d snatch the election victory and become king anyway, then pass that law making himself immune to prosecution in perpetuity.
That said, I generally try to avoid normalizing it by moving the goalposts as you described. Usually I simply don’t comment, even irl, except to note the evidence and reasons he should face a consequence occasionally
Yeah its not like sentencing waits for appeal right?
People who have been in prison for years are still going for appeals.
I hope he’s put under house arrest and is only allowed out to go to court and see his appeal rejected.
Obviously I am pleased with this but I am not going as far as celebrating. I’ll consider popping bottles after the sentencing and appeals.
Hello, I was one of those.
A lifetime of disappointment has taught me to keep low expectations. But when things do actually turn out well, it can be a happy surprise.
Hope for the best and expect the worst and all.
To be fair, it would only have taken one jury to hang it and worrying about that makes sense. Happily thus has worked out in favour of justice, but it was not a given and people were right to fear that outcome. Hopefully we will see the predicted change in likely voting outcomes from unaffiliated voters and thus can be the end of MAGA over the next couple of election cycles.
Hung juries are incredibly rare. I think most people claiming that was a possibility didn’t pay attention during the jury selection process. A ton of people were rejected, and most of them were because they posted something on Twitter against Trump.
There were so few Trump supporters in the jury pool that it was easy to remove them. This jury seemed pretty unbiased. It just obvious that Trump is guilty.
The prosecution had:
Checks signed by Trump Business records created by Trump’s longtime CFO Pro-Trump witnesses who said he was guilty Trump’s former lawyer who set it up and has already been found guilty of the same thing Trump on tape discussing hiding the payoff Phone records where he discussed it A CSPAN video of him on the phone discussing it
It never ended. Trump didn’t even take the stand to explain anything.
Indeed, it was a really clear case of election interference through the falsification of business records. It is a good result and now we just have to wait and see how people react. Will he beat Biden in the election? Will he be clearly rejected? I hope things end with him not being in office, but no matter what happens he cannot pardon himself for state crimes and if he wins the election and New York sentences him to prison time then there will be a novel set of issues to resolve from there. Ideally he loses, is sentenced to prison, and spends the remainder of his life offline.
Now they’ve moved the goalposts to say that the judge who Trump steadily antagonized throughout the trial will be leniant on sentencing.
Didn’t he bring the judge’s daughter into this?
💯
Same vibe.
Yeah feels like breathing the same sigh of relief. Just hoping now another January 6th situation doesn’t happen as a follow up.
Just hoping now another January 6th situation doesn’t happen as a follow up.
If it happens it happens. We can’t suspend justice because of the fear of a misguided mob.
Well said.
Also, with this current administration at the helm, there is no reason to wait around and do absolutely nothing but sit back and watch it on the teevee…bring in some muscle and don’t fuck around this time. If a lot more Ashli Babbitts show up, so fucking what?
Also, maybe the current admin would give orders to PREPARE based on the OSINT alone, and share that info widely with all relevant authorities. And if Meal Team Six shows up to break things and smear their feces around government buildings and threaten the lives of others, they might meet deadly force…
Tell that to the CDC and who when giving COVID guidance during the pandemic. 😡
I’m not sure I’m following you. The CDC isn’t part of the justice system.
I mean, the timing is all wrong. J6 had a series of dependencies associated with it.
Like, they are fucked for timing right now. Couldn’t be a worse time this could have happened electorally. I guess he can campaign from prison?
I don’t think he’ll go to prison (would love to be proven wrong). I don’t think these charges have mandatory jail time. Plus I think he will appeal this until he dies.
Yeah I don’t know either. I’ll watch MeidasTouch for the analysis on that. They’ve called pretty much every aspect of this trial correctly. Its a YT channel of all attorneys, trial lawyers, former prosecutors, etc. When it comes to law, not much better. They have former members of the NY AG office as contributors. None better.
Is it actually good? YouTube keeps pushing it in my algorithm but the titles all look like wishcasting BS so I’ve avoided it.
Its pretty far to the right (liberal/conservative), and they spam your feed constantly with click baity ass shit. Most of its not worth clicking on. Ragebait, clickbait, wishcasting, nothing burgers.
The two reasons to have been watching it until now have been Karen Friedman Agnifilo, and Michael Cohen. Both are contributors to the channel.
Karen Friedman Agnfilo is a former prosecutor in the office (30 years) that was prosecuting Trump. And Micheal Cohen is… well… he’s Michael Cohen.
These two figures are particularly informative in regards to this trial, and so are worth watching. Once this trial is well behind us, I’m not going to be watching the channel, unless its specifically regarding a legal matter.
And that’s the divide for me. This channel is great for legal analysis. But their political analysis is just, myopic, to say the least. I don’t go to them for political analysis. They don’t know up from down in this regard.
If you want great legal analysis, they are the best.
If you want recommendations for political analysis lmk.
So, it’s Biden’s fault, it’s the DA’s fault, it’s the corrupt judge’s fault. Everyone but you Donny.
Classic malignant narcissist.
Man… As the verdicts rolled in, I could genuinely feel my stress fading. This fucker has finally, finally been forced to experience a negative repercussion for his actions, and I can’t wait to see him experience more.
No he hasn’t.
He wasn’t even remanded to custody.
He hasn’t been sentenced.
If the sentences are punitive monetary fines, then his “consequences” are nothing more than he’s ever had to deal with. He’ll just keep doing what he’s always been doing and raid the Republican money chest to pay his expenses.
I know somebody has to come out to play devil’s advocate at every turn. Yes the sentence could be a nothingburger. Yes he will appeal no matter what.
At the very least, I can now call him convicted felon Trump. Justice has prevailed at least in this part.
If it were any of us, being a convicted felon would have meaning and consequences.
I don’t think I’m being a devil’s advocate, I’m not arguing an unpopular position, just pessimistic and likely pragmatic.
I’m hopeful that today might be a turning point. It’s a significant occurrence.
In a year’s time Trump will either be dead, in jail, or in the whitehouse. Of those three I honestly think jail is the most likely.
While this specific trial might not land him in jail directly, it will significantly errode, consume, or expend his support. The idiots that keep sending him money don’t have infinite money. The title “Convicted Felon Donald Trump” will have meaning to many swing voters. Todays outcome provides a good excuse for republicans to decline support.
Today is a significant impediment to getting to the white house, and if he doesn’t do that he will go to jail.
In summary, a year from now when he’s in jail and we’re looking back at the journey, today will be the turning point - the start of a series of bad news.
Not to be too negative Nancy, but don’t forget he has a whole radical base that are looking for an excuse to do violent things. Any real consequences for trump could be acted upon by those insurrectionists. They’re already attacking infrastructure. Here’s a West Point article about it.
You’re right of course. I was just listening to some commentary about how poorly biden is doing in the polls.
I just want to be positive I guess. It’s been a long time between drinks.
On that note, everyone in the US should be preparing to live through a civil war. Hopefully it won’t go that far, but realistically it all depends on who supports it and how willing they are to risk their future on that gambit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see either an insurrection fizzle out quickly or one gain fast momentum and become asymmetric warfare at first, followed by the real hardware getting used as parts of the military split into factions.
Yes. But other than oil & banking executives, who would do illegal stuff in a heartbeat if they could make money and get away with it, and crazies like Musk and the MyPillow guy, how many business-minded people would want someone convicted business fraud to lead a good economic environment for business?
Those same business leaders likely vote republican in order to more easily get tax breaks and favorable laws, so apparently a lot of businesses want that kind of leadership - even if it wasn’t specifically what you meant.
This was also the weakest case against him. Once he loses in November I can’t wait to watch him deal with this shit 3 more times. He’s either going to die in a courtroom or a jail cell.
It was not the weakest case. It was actually one of the strongest, with tons of corroborating evidence.
If anything, I think the weakest case right now is the insurrection one. Fulton county is the next strongest, then the hush money case just finished, then the classified docs case.
It’s a bit nitpicky though. He’s super obviously guilty in all of them just based on publicly available info. Maybe the defense in each case has a bullet proof strategy we don’t know about but… I doubt it.
Okay, how is Insurrection Day the weakest case? He literally went on to live TV to command his “proud boys” troops to “stand down”.
It wouldn’t be hard to take that and present it as Trump was just trying to stop it.
By weakest, we are talking about which one has the best chance of beating a guilty verdict. Trump did a bunch of fucked up shit on Jan 6 and in the weeks beforehand but I think a good lawyer could at least get him a hung jury. At least with the publicly available evidence right now.
The problem for Trump is that, like in New York, he will want to interfere in his defense and end up making things way worse for himself.
Kinda hoping for courtroom so we get a sketch artist’s rendering of it
He will never see a real punishment so let’s hope for practical benefits like losing votes from low-information idiots and draining Repub coffers.
July is gonna be interesting when all you doubters walk back your claims. The judge is hyper aware of the contempt x10, the fact Cohen did time in prison for the other side of this thing, the attacks on the judge’s daughter and family, staff, intimidation of jurors and witnesses…
Don’t take it from me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0fYRCjdMsE&t=146s
July is gonna be interesting when all you doubters walk back your claims.
Do you not recognize how eager we all are for that to be true? Please, show up in July and blow a raspberry at me because I was wrong to believe Trump will die of old age, having never seen the inside of a jail cell, living a 1% lifestyle. I would love nothing more.
Now will CNN introduce him as 45th president of the United States and convicted felon Donald j trump? Can we get a GoFundMe to make it happen?
Pardon my ignorance, but I’ve seen that “title” all over -is it common to call convicted felons as such, as a title of sorts, before their name ?
It is when they are an individual of notoriety of any kind being discussed in the media… it is just another adjective to add to their list of accolades.
Ok thanks
Just saying i hope they grant him he same level of class and decorum he’s afforded others before him.
Donald J Trump, 45th President of the United States, convicted felon, khaleesi of the great grass sea, first of his name.
I know a lot of us are cynical and don’t have high expectations for sentencing, but…
Right now, Trump’s feeling pretty shitty. He has no idea how the sentencing will go. No guarantees he won’t be forced to suffer. This is consume him for weeks at the least.
When he goes to sleep tonight, all he’ll be thinking about is ‘I could go to prison’.
You see, I don’t think people like him ever feel shitty. He feels as a victim, a martyr of sorts, people like this can and will twist anything in their heads so that it proves their grandeur, their importance.
This guy goes to sleep every night thinking how great he is, and how the world is just jealous and that’s why some stupid judge was out to get him.
My dad is a pathological narcissist and behaves exactly like that.
… good?
I would bet $1000 that nothing meaningful happens to that slick old bastard.
There are two justice systems in this country, and Trump is in the one that’s so rich that he doesn’t face the same kind of meaningful consequences that we do.
I wouldn’t take that bet but we have to acknowledge that this is progress. If you’d told me a year ago trump would be convicted on 34 felonies before June I’d have laughed at you.
The arc of history is long but it does bend towards justice. We are witnessing that bend now after decades of frustration. Enjoy this win at least a little bit.
So was Martha Stewart. 5 months in prison, 2 years probation.
It was very frustrating that just like what happened with “fake news” which was originally used to describe false news articles generated usually to help Trump, the same thing happened with the concept of a two-tier justice system. Originally describing how wealthy people like Trump don’t get the same justice that poor people do, now Republicans are trying to use it to describe Republicans getting charged for things Democrats wouldn’t be.
Appeal ad infinitum incoming. This stain wouldn’t see any repercussions until after the election, and only if he loses. I hope I’m proven wrong. Still waiting on the 400+80m to hit his pocket.
Anyone else a little bit surprised that justice just happened, even if on a relatively minor scale compared to all the things he has done?
yea totally. It’s a good feeling
If he gets probation, how would that work? Normally you have to notify someone when you leave the state. That would be a full-time job for someone campaigning.
To be clear: “no bail” means “Donald Trump is allowed to remain at liberty without bail” and not “He must stay in jail until sentencing”
Yep. But eh, he’s not a flight risk, and he’s not accused of a violent crime.
…That said, he could be remanded to jail instantly if anything changes.
I’d generally say that somebody who has a private jet, overseas bank accounts, and who pals around with foreign dictators is a flight risk, but that’s me.
Honestly, I’d settle for him fucking off and disappearing if it means we never have to hear about him ever again.
The dude has 24/7 secret service protection. They aren’t going to not know where he is.
He’s got a sympathetic security detail. I have reason to believe that they won’t just let him go if that’s what he wants to do.
Guilty on all 34 counts. Get fuuuuuuuuuuucccked
Wanna learn more about the rulings surrounding Trumps 34 charges?
Search for: “Donald Trump Rule 34”
