Copy/pasting my comment from the earlier thread on this that got deleted for misinformation
After reading about the actual feature (more), this seems like an absolutely gigantic non-issue. Like most anti-Mozilla stories end up being.
The whole thing is an experimental feature intended to replace the current privacy nightmare that is cross-site tracking cookies. As-implemented it’s a way for advertisers to figure out things like “How many people who went to our site and purchased this product saw this ad we placed on another site?”, but done in such a way that neither the website with the ad, nor the website with the product, nor Mozilla itself knows what any one specific user was doing.
The only thing I looked for but could not find an answer on one way or the other is if Mozilla is making any sort of profit from this system. I would guess no but actually have no idea.
There are definitely things that can be said about this feature, like “Fuck ad companies, it should be off by default” (my personal take), or “It’s a pointless feature that’s doomed to failure because it’ll never provide ad companies with information as valuable as tracking cookies, so it’ll never succeed in its goal to replace tracking cookies” (also my take). But the feature itself has virtually no privacy consequences whatsoever for anybody.
I’m absolutely convinced there’s a coordinated anti-Firefox astroturfing campaign going on lately.
I genuinely cannot understand why people hate mozilla so much, it boggles the mind.
Google is spending a lot of cash to make Firefox look bad so people are unmotivated to change away from Chrome when manifest v3 is fully rolled out.
ding ding ding ding ding
This is why theres an uptick in anti-firefox stuff.
There’s so many anti-Mozilla people on Lemmy it’s crazy. I’m getting downvotes in other threads in this community for pointing out that all the anti-Mozilla FUD has amounted to nothing of substance.
There are many interests playing to make sure it is destroyed. Any little non issue explodes big. Or people just don’t know how to read.
Because it makes it harder for advertisers to mine and sell your data. That’s it.
It’s not like it’s not been rolling out features and opting people in without telling them…
I love Firefox, I’ve even spent money to support it in the past. The Mozilla organization seems at best incompetent and at worst willfully corrupt. There’s no love lost here.
Mozilla is corrupt? How so?
When your mission is to create a safe and private web and you squandered your organization’s money to give huge payouts to your executives for not achieving their stated goals, that’s a form of corruption. Their relationship with Google was always viewed with skeptic eyes too. There are more. Nothing people can prove, but looks suspicious. Like I said, at best incompetence.
I’m all for this. All of this will be blocked on my devices anyway but for the greater good, this would be a great step to take
Yeah - I’ve actually softened my own stance since I wrote that paragraph near the end, too, I just didn’t feel like editing a message that I claimed to have copy/pasted. While I still have no intention of enabling the feature in my install, that’s out of pure spite for anything that could conceivably help an advertiser somewhere, even if it isn’t at my expense. I do see value in the feature itself existing. While I think the industry is unlikely to abandon tracking cookies and swap to this system voluntarily, I could see certain governments eventually mandating such a change, if the feature proves robust enough.
I might even go as far as to agree that on-by-default is the better option for the feature’s chances of success - but for new installs. When new features are added to existing installs in updates, particularly if those features are in the “Privacy & Security” section of the settings page, it would probably be better practice to ask the user to pick an option on the first boot after updating.
Edit: I did a stupid. Anonym made PPA and that was part of the acquisition.
The only thing I looked for but could not find an answer on one way or the other is if Mozilla is making any sort of profit from this system. I would guess no but actually have no idea.
Fuck ad companies…
Mozilla bought an ad company (Anonym) shortly after implementing PPA. Their goal appears to be to pivot their revenue plan to (in part) being an ad company.
I’m absolutely convinced there’s a coordinated anti-Firefox astroturfing campaign going on lately.
I cannot know for sure whether that’s true or not, but a lot of very bad decisions have happened at Mozilla over the last six months and I think they’ve been the straw that’s broken the camel’s back.
Their acquisition of Anonym was all about acquiring the feature this article is about, PPA. Anonym created PPA. In fact Anonym seems to have been created for the explicit purpose of creating this privacy-respecting system as an alternative to cross-site tracking cookies. I see no reason to doubt Mozilla’s intentions here.
Sorry I thought they were a separate thing. Thanks for bringing it up.
More information about the privacy preserving ad measurement feature and how to disable it if you wanted. Mixed feelings.
The article which was removed for misinformation got me curious. So I finally downloaded and installed LibreWolf (which is Firefox under the hood). After using it for full day I really like it so far. Another user (thanks, @RustyNova@lemmy.world ) gave me some good tips to pay attention to the two icons to the left of the URL bar, which was very helpful.
Wait what?
Falkon browser isn’t a bad choice, there is no ad tracking, There’s block auto playing video function built in. All around a solid privacy respecting browser, compared to Firefox and Chrome.
I abandoned Firefox for Falkon for the last 2 years and hadn’t regretted it.
Every single time someone mentions they abandoned firefox for something “better”, it’s chromium based. Privacy is good, but the most important for me is to avoid monopoly/monoculture.
I get it but, if it’s maintained by a different party then Google, even then there’s going to be some conflict of interest compared to Google’s Chrome and Brave’s Chrome for instance.
But if you would rather use the ai features in Firefox, then have at it. Falkon doesn’t have any mention of ai in it’s settings or features. Nor does it have an ad network. Sometimes you got to look at more then just “it’s based on Cromium.”
If they control the browser core they control the web, no two ways about it.
Would you say Webkit would be a better browser engine, since Blink was based on Webkit and not the other way around?
Falkon is based on QtWebEngine.
So not Chromium although they may share renderer, but last I heard QtWebEngine was based on Webkit.It is built on the QtWebEngine, which is a wrapper for the Chromium browser core.
-Wikipedia
Which engine does it use?
Probably chromium, haha, so no-go.
It is built on the QtWebEngine, which is a wrapper for the Chromium browser core.
-Wikipedia
It uses qtwebengine, but it does have it’s own ui (making it less like Chrome) and some of its ownfeatures.
But which would you rather have an ai littered browser by default (Firefox), or use Blink.
Considering it’s just a rendering engine, and that the browser has adblocking built in,doesn’t automatically scream to me privacy invading. Unlike in Google Chrome you can even auto clear your browser history on close. The browser itself isn’t based on Chromium, when it first launched it had a different rendering engine.
Qtwebengine is essentially chromium lol
It is built on the QtWebEngine, which is a wrapper for the Chromium browser core.
yeah, thats chromium bro
When I first started using it it was using a different engine. If it’s using Chromium and it scares some of you, then don’t use it. But with Mozilla doing that they are doing now days with ai and ad networks, does it even make a difference now, between using Firefox and Chrome?
yes, they are not nearly on Googles level, not even comparably.
Secondly it’s not even primarily about that, even if it made no difference, two competing shitty companies is better than a full on monopoly.
I’m not coming from google hate, I just want there to be more than one actor, therefore I will never ever pick the largest one.
Hmm. I’m using Waterfox rn.
If it keeps out the ai features in the latest updates and the ad networks, then that fork and some of the other Firefox forks might be a good option.
Falkon is better for privacy than stock Chrome or Firefox, but I still find Brave or LibreWolf better than that.
I chucked Brave shortly after they decided to install a VPN service on my machine without consent or notification.
A service that silently reinstalled itself on Brave update.
A service that did not remove itself when you uninstall Brave. It took a lot of research and time to rip out the guts of that. I will never trust Brave again.
I think brave should be disregarded as something safe and privacy respecting if they were willing to silently whitelist Facebook trackers in the past. Then there is their whole crypto obsession.
Not taking any chances. https://winworldpc.com/product/ncsa-mosaic/1
Yes, that’s right. I’m going to buy a 486, run windows 3.1 with trumpet winsock and be rid of tracking forever!
Until then:
Only problem is that you wouldn’t be able to visit most sites, because Mosaic only supports HTTP 1.0. You could go for Lynx, though. Just remember to disable the cookie support.
Or, just spam V all the time!
I use Falkon for things I want to do outside my main browser, for instance if a site doesn’t work, to see if it’s on my side.
https://www.falkon.org/PS: Falkon is based on QtWebEngine.
