• joneskind@lemmy.worldEnglish
    271·
    4 months ago

    TwitterBoy showing his blatant ignorance against one of the people who literally invented modern machine learning.

    Nothing shockingly unexpected from the very stable 10D chess master genius of course, but oh my, how embarrassing it must be for all the people working for him.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      15·
      4 months ago

      It’s the same whenever he gets shown up.

      “I’ll save those schoolboys with my robot submarine!”

      *submarine won’t fit in cave*

      *schoolboys are rescued by a diver*

      “Pedo guy…”

    • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
      9·
      4 months ago

      I’m sure he can be forgiven for not knowing the name of a scientist whose work his employees build upon

      The fact that he didn’t believe them when they claimed to be a scientist though

  • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
    8·
    4 months ago

    The Internet as a whole seems a lot less interested in actually listening to anyone with credentials to back themselves up (Musk obviously included).
    Literally, people will just “nuh-uh” a piece of fact for purely emotional personal reasons.

    Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.

    Maybe all the smarter people with credentials have done the smart thing and left the internet, cause if I hear one more person tell me I’m wrong and that people totally explode in the vacuum of space cause they watched a movie. (Someone even called me confidently incorrect after I provided the research paper I cited when working on decompression in a vacuum), I honestly will think humanity has no right to claim themselves master of any part of nature and I will praise the universe for wiping us out hopefully Armageddon style, with an asteroid with a bunch of oil drillers on it.

    • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      4 months ago

      My theory is that as people get more success in life, they tend to get “busier”. They have families, careers, hobbies they’ve invested time in, money to take travel vacations, etc. They just do more “stuff”. This results in less time and interest towards getting into arguments with randos on the internet.

      The internet is extremely accessible and economically inexpensive though, so almost everyone can get on here if they want, regardless of any personal degree of any sort of life proficiencies.

      Together, these factors result in it being the mass of humanity with some of the cream skimmed off. So that’s what we tend to see around us, the internet is the skim milk of humanity. Then to avoid all the watery garbage so prevalent everywhere, we further clump into more segmented communities where we can find more like-minded people to associate with, simply because that’s more enjoyable.

      This is one of the reasons I think it’s important to actually put effort into interacting on here, to try to help prevent it from worsening before we can address some of the underlying technical problems it has introduced into our societies.

    • VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF98ii6r_gU pretty sure this is the one [from the series] your post made me think of… My take away as relevant here is that it’s not overcomplicated: If your a marginalized person and you know your rights, all the facts and appeals reason will be dismissed by those who buy into the fear-based moral panic propaganda about you, solely on your intrinsic traits.

      That’s not a two-way street.

      Choosing not to engage with such people does not put me in an information silo in the same way that the population influenced by right-wing authoritarianism choose to stand on both sides of a contradiction and refuse to analyze the true root causes of their woes; that you can’t class traitor yourself onto the side of the ultra-wealthy, and that their Supreme Leader will throw them under the bus at the first incentive.

      A person who chooses to protect their energy from such a Facebook uncle, does not consitute a both-sides.

      Not that I went looking for anyone pressing a “both-sides” angle…hoping we can leave it behind in terms of “information silos”

    • PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      It was true before the internet too, there was just less opportunities to witness it because you didn’t interact with thousands of strangers at once.

      • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        Well… Yeah that probably checks out. I have met an engineer who was sure 9/11 was planned demolition even though we literally sat and did the math to prove it was essentially a damaged free fall with no outer explosions… And a biologist major who believed in creationism…

        People are full of bad takes in shocking hypocrisy. This is definitely just the more public long lasting version of all those.

  • bouldering_barista@lemmy.worldEnglish
    114·
    4 months ago

    Why are we still sharing snapshots from twitter?

    Let’s start capturing more interesting conversations that are happening on Lemmy and other places!

    • BuckFigotstheThird@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      3 months ago

      THANK YOU.

      I persistently work to get Twitter, elon, musk, cyber truck, Tesla, spacex, and every other x-affiliated bullshit out of my newsfeed, just for people to screenshot this shitty website. You like twitter, keep it on twitter. Cool.

      I suppose I’ll block the person who uploaded it.

      edit:spelling

      • isaaclw@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        4 months ago

        Nah. Brinfing them here is more diversity, and lets people choose.

        People will use twitter and tumbler and instagram, even if they switch from reddit to lemmy.

  • Lad@reddthat.comEnglish
    6·
    4 months ago

    These types of people really need to stop being a part of the problem by getting off Twitter.

    • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
      51·
      4 months ago

      To attempt to wake up those people who think Elon is actually God’s gift of mankind.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        A wake up call on those people will have to go straight for their gut, instead of trying to throw facts at their faces. Even then, it’s a hard task

  • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    4 months ago

    Does 80 technical papers in 2.5 years seem kind of off to anyone else? That’s more than a paper every 2 weeks. Is there really time for meaningful research if you’re publishing that often? Is he advising a lot of students? If that’s the case, is he providing the attention generally needed for each one? Is his field just super different than mine?

    • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      In acamedia you usually get your name on most papers where you help a bit. And if you’re the boss, you get your name on papers without even helping but perhaps supplying space, material, budget.

      • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        I’ve been in academia. My field required a “significant intellectual contribution” to the research and the writing, so no putting your name on papers if you just supplied space/material/budget. You can get an acknowledgement for that, not an authorship credit.

        • ormr@feddit.deEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          And which reviewer or publishers verifies how “significant” a contribution is beyond seeing some initials matched with tags like “visualization” or “experimental design”? That’s right, nobody. It’s not even remotely traceable who did what if you’re a reviewer.

          Academia is full of fraud and people trying to secure their share of credit because in academia it’s all about names, as the twitter exchange above illustrates so profoundly. And the other driver for the sad state of academia is of course having the quantity of published papers as the most important criterion for academic success. The more papers, the more citations, the bigger your name will become. It determines your chances of getting funding and therefore your career. If you want to make a career in science you have little options but to comply with this system.

    • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
      English
      0·
      4 months ago

      Yeah, even if he is advising or contributing, the way he put it sounds very disingenuous like he’s trying to inflate the number for his argument. Which MIGHT mean there likely was not many with immediately recognizable significance in that time (don’t yell at me, I have not taken the time to verify this).

      Either way, the way he responded comes across as very “I’m published, you’re not, neener neener!” which is not a good look for anyone with a doctorates.

      Also, genuine question, how significant was the contribution of LeNet-5 to the field of deep learning vs Neocognitron?

      • pflanzenregal@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        4 months ago

        He could’ve just said “I have a turing award, you don’t” if he wanted to show off.

        He is also called one of the godfathers of deep learning, so I’d say his contributions are very significant.

    • Poik@pawb.socialEnglish
      01·
      4 months ago

      This is a fair question. But also, we’re talking about one of the most influential minds in deep learning. If anything he’s selling himself short. He’s definitely not first author on most of them, but I would give all my limbs to work in his lab.

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      01·
      4 months ago

      There are some people in this world who are smarter and more motivated than we are.

      And then there are people who get a head start when their rich daddy gives 'em a bunch of money and they get lucky with how they invest that money but pretend to be a genius anyway.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
              02·
              4 months ago

              True, but you can compare writing 4000 novels a year with being able to write 80 papers a few pages long in 2.5 and say that both are possible.

              • refalo@programming.devEnglish
                2·
                4 months ago

                He didn’t write all those papers. He put his name on them. He also finds it worth his time to publicly argue with a pig in shit, so there’s that.

              • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                4 months ago

                The writing of the paper is generally a trivial part of the work. Each technical paper is supposed to be a succinct summary of months or years of technical work.

    • hperrin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      4 months ago

      Because he owns a bunch of shit. That’s literally it. Nobody would give a single shit about him if he didn’t have money. I saw it put very eloquently like this:

      Elon Musk is so poor that all he has is money.

      • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        his Twitter feed is full of things that would make you turn your head and act as it you don’t hear anything if it came from a random person on the subway. the only difference between this guy and the “crazy people” you see outside is that this guy has money he doesn’t deserve.

        edit: i don’t know why i said Twitter feed. this includes everything he says in interviews as well

    • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works
      English
      02·
      4 months ago

      Because he is not your run-of-the-mill tech billionaire.

      He’s an asshole, yes, but you don’t see Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos or anyone else make the kind of big moves he does.

  • Monument@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    11·
    4 months ago

    I’m just imagining Musk banning his account once he realizes how much he just embarrassed himself.

    Followed by:

    Lawyer: What brings you in today, Mr. LeCun?
    LeCun: I got banned from Twitter.
    Lawyer: But I’m a patent attorney.
    LeCun: I know.

    Beastie Boys “Sabotage” riff starts playing.

  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    0·
    4 months ago

    Bro Elon got absolutely ratio’d there when the scientist shared their papers. Like less people saw it and double the amount of likes.

    That is very surprising honestly.

  • nifty@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    4 months ago

    What does you’re going soft, try harder even mean in this case? I think that’s a troll, right? Right? I mean, even one solid theory from a paper can change the course of an industry. How do people think things work? I feel dizzy reading this whole exchange